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Marner for Jones

Created by: MatthewsDynasty
Initial Creation Date: May 27, 2020
Published: May 27 at 11:56 am
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya1$1,400,000
Gauthier, Frédérik1$700,000
Kubalik, Dominik5$8,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$700,000
Reaves, Ryan2$1,000,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Kubalik, Dominik$8,000,000
2021 1st round pick
2021 2nd round pick
2021 3rd round pick
Trades
TOR
  1. Jones, Seth
CBJ
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2020 6th round pick (COL)
  4. 2020 7th round pick (WPG)
TOR
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (BUF)
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
TOR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (TOR)
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (STL)
LAK
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
  3. 2020 5th round pick (VGK)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
BUF
TOR
TOR
CAR
SJS
STL
2021
STL
CAR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,240,533$0$0$259,467
Left WingCenterRight Wing
Kubalik, Dominik
$8,000,000
LW
RFA
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$850,000
LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,400,000
LW, RW
RFA
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA
Reaves, Ryan
$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
CBJ
Jones, Seth
$5,400,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
$700,000
C
RFA
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Brooks, Adam
$725,000
C
RFA - 2

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May 27 at 11:59
#1
CGY
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 3,595
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Probably doesn’t make sense for Columbus since Marner makes twice as much as Jones. Probably need to take back a bad contract
May 27 at 12:00
#2
Bahston Brewins
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 605
Likes: 154
columbus is keeping jones, a guy like him is very hard to find
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May 27 at 12:01
#3
Go Wings Go
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,410
Likes: 3,845
Marner makes twice as much as Jones, And with PLD to resign not sure the Jackets have the cap unless a CBO is granted which i doubt one would be. Just don't see Columbus being able to afford this.
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May 27 at 12:04
#4
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 15,025
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Quoting: nalzugaray12
columbus is keeping jones, a guy like him is very hard to find


Is it easy to find a 100 point player?
May 27 at 12:09
#5
Terry_AkiSauce
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,015
Likes: 407
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Is it easy to find a 100 point player?


Yeah dude, Marner and Matthews are worthless
May 27 at 12:09
#6
Thread Starter
Joined: Apr 2020
Posts: 431
Likes: 72
Would this be a fair trade though? Blue Jackets have a lot of cap space right now. They would be able to afford him.
May 27 at 12:11
#7
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,656
Likes: 520
Seth Jones is pretty overrated defensivly if we are being honest. @mhockey91 supports this claim
May 27 at 12:11
#8
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,730
Likes: 1,937
3 things

1- Columbus can’t afford Marner’s contract unless Toronto takes Wennberg and Nash back. (Though Columbus is winning this trade by a mile, if cap hits didn’t apply)

2- Toronto is never and I mean NEVER going to trade Marner unless he mandates that trade him. He and Matthews are the last 2 player Toronto looks to trade.

3- can we please not bring this up again... neither team wants to make this trade and honestly neither fan base wants to make this trade. So just don’t.
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May 27 at 12:14
#9
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,730
Likes: 1,937
Quoting: matthewthegreat
Would this be a fair trade though? Blue Jackets have a lot of cap space right now. They would be able to afford him.


No we don’t... we still have to get PLD, Anderson and Gavrikov signed. We have space, not that much space.

Also no, Toronto would lose this trade value wise.
May 27 at 12:14
#10
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,730
Likes: 1,937
Quoting: Rodzikhockey93
Seth Jones is pretty overrated defensivly if we are being honest. @mhockey91 supports this claim


Yes, Jones advanced analytics sucked this year.
May 27 at 12:15
#11
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 1,721
Likes: 572
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Is it easy to find a 100 point player?


Can you call a player who has never had a 100 point season a 100 point player?? Like calling Marner a 30 goal scorer...
May 27 at 12:17
#12
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 15,025
Likes: 4,649
Quoting: Riley816
Can you call a player who has never had a 100 point season a 100 point player?? Like calling Marner a 30 goal scorer...


He was close to that pace this past season. Also he's definitely going to have at least 1 100 point season. Can anyone say Jones is going to be a future Norris winner? He hasn't won one yet. Let just call Marner a 90 point player then. How easy are those to find? Columbus appears to have trouble finding a 70 point player right now.
May 27 at 12:28
#13
Barilko14
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 717
Likes: 252
That's a pretty big gamble on Kubalik, guess you would be hoping his shooting % stays at 19.1%.
May 27 at 12:39
#14
Bahston Brewins
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 605
Likes: 154
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Is it easy to find a 100 point player?


no, but columbus doesn't need to trade their number one defenseman to get a high scoring forward. when you have a number 1 dman, you keep him. You don't have to trade him to get more offense, there's others routes you can take
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May 27 at 1:08
#15
Joined: May 2018
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Quoting: nalzugaray12
no, but columbus doesn't need to trade their number one defenseman to get a high scoring forward. when you have a number 1 dman, you keep him. You don't have to trade him to get more offense, there's others routes you can take


I love how that is always the argument on there. TO will never get fair value for their stars because everything else is harder to get and yet there are only 20 players or so who contribute as much offence as these guys. The hardest thing to do in hockey is score, and yet somehow the Leafs are a terrible team and their players aren't worth much because any right handed defenceman is the hardest thing to find. What a joke.
May 27 at 7:54
#16
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,883
Likes: 343
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
I love how that is always the argument on there. TO will never get fair value for their stars because everything else is harder to get and yet there are only 20 players or so who contribute as much offence as these guys. The hardest thing to do in hockey is score, and yet somehow the Leafs are a terrible team and their players aren't worth much because any right handed defenceman is the hardest thing to find. What a joke.

Funny, we get similar pushback when we try to find a #2C without giving up a #1D.
May 27 at 8:06
#17
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 15,025
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Quoting: Viqsi
Funny, we get similar pushback when we try to find a #2C without giving up a #1D.


Its ridiculous.
May 28 at 9:36
#18
Bahston Brewins
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 605
Likes: 154
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
I love how that is always the argument on there. TO will never get fair value for their stars because everything else is harder to get and yet there are only 20 players or so who contribute as much offence as these guys. The hardest thing to do in hockey is score, and yet somehow the Leafs are a terrible team and their players aren't worth much because any right handed defenceman is the hardest thing to find. What a joke.


I never said the value isn't fair. That is a fair value trade. My argument is WHY would Columbus have to trade their best dman, who's probably a top 10 dman in the league, for more offense? My point was, you should take other ROUTES. Sign more forwards. Draft more forwards. Trade other pieces for more offense. A team like Columbus doesn't need to trade Jones. This is just a trade that is filling more of a Toronto need than a Columbus need.
 
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