Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
The big 4 are paid fairly, and are not at all a problem. They are all elite and make the team better. The defence isn't terrible, the system under Babs was terrible, under Keefe they dealt with massive injury problems and were learning a new system but the team showed a lot of progress towards the shutdown. Most don't see it because they just don't understand hockey but defending wasn't the problem under Keefe, it was almost completely turnovers that were the cause of all the problems. They were cutting those down before the shut down. Blaming Dubas for giving up a 1st rounder for nothing (apart from cap space) is for lack of a better phrase, ****ing stupid. Who signed Marleau to that contract? Who cares about Kadri, he hurt the Leafs more than he helped us. Two years in a row, he could have been a difference maker and instead was sitting while the team lost a series they could have won. Would they have won if he was playing? Maybe, but we never knew because he was an idiot.
Point to a trade that Dubas didn't win? Apart from trading Marleau which was never going to be a good move but it sure beat trading Nylander when his value was low.
Anyone who thinks Dubas should be fired is either a troll who just hates the Leafs or is an old school cement head that thinks you need a bunch of hard hitting meat heads from the clutch and grab era to win. The Leafs are 4 seasons removed from finishing last and are the 4th or 5th youngest team in the league. They are still learning. Have patience and don't listen to the idiots on here going off about stuff that isn't real.
Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
The big 4 are paid fairly, and are not at all a problem. They are all elite and make the team better. The defence isn't terrible, the system under Babs was terrible, under Keefe they dealt with massive injury problems and were learning a new system but the team showed a lot of progress towards the shutdown. Most don't see it because they just don't understand hockey but defending wasn't the problem under Keefe, it was almost completely turnovers that were the cause of all the problems. They were cutting those down before the shut down. Blaming Dubas for giving up a 1st rounder for nothing (apart from cap space) is for lack of a better phrase, ****ing stupid. Who signed Marleau to that contract? Who cares about Kadri, he hurt the Leafs more than he helped us. Two years in a row, he could have been a difference maker and instead was sitting while the team lost a series they could have won. Would they have won if he was playing? Maybe, but we never knew because he was an idiot.
Point to a trade that Dubas didn't win? Apart from trading Marleau which was never going to be a good move but it sure beat trading Nylander when his value was low.
Anyone who thinks Dubas should be fired is either a troll who just hates the Leafs or is an old school cement head that thinks you need a bunch of hard hitting meat heads from the clutch and grab era to win. The Leafs are 4 seasons removed from finishing last and are the 4th or 5th youngest team in the league. They are still learning. Have patience and don't listen to the idiots on here going off about stuff that isn't real.
« The big 4 are paid fairly »
Ok is that why no other team in the NHL pais its top 4 more than 35 million bucks? No one else does that because every other GM understands that it’s a losing strategy
« Anyone who thinks Dubas should be fired is either a troll who just hates the Leafs«
Great, let’s hide behind the « you rightly point out many issues within the team that can’t really be properly fixed because of the big 4 so I’ll just call you a hater ». That’s a nonsense argument that only relies on emotion
« Have patience and don't listen to the idiots on here going off about stuff that isn't real»
Except signing JT forced them to compete for the SC when they weren’t ready for that, far from that, it rushed the rebuild and they have bad consequences ever since.
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