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May 28, 2020 at 2:58 p.m.
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I’m not fighting. AM34 over Eichel but I’m biased. You’ll never win this argument no matter how hard you try
May 28, 2020 at 2:58 p.m.
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he's literally better at everything except Eichel is faster.

there. Done.
May 28, 2020 at 2:59 p.m.
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Well Matthews out everythings Eichel in everything. Regular stats, eye test (subjective ofc), isolated stats. It really isn't an argument at this point unless you are actively ignoring evidence or simply trolling.
May 28, 2020 at 3:12 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
he's literally better at everything except Eichel is faster.

there. Done.


Yup. There is pretty much no way Eichel is better.
May 28, 2020 at 3:16 p.m.
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Matthews-
(Career)- 282 GP, 285 points, 153 goals, 266 oiGF, 217 oiGA
(This Season)- 70 GP, 80 points, 47 goals, 54.2 corsi%, 78 oiGF(career high), 52 oiGA(career low)

Eichel-
(Career)- 354 GP, 337 points, 136 goals, 297 oiGF, 328 oiGA
(This Season)- 68 GP, 78 points, 36 goals, 51.5 corsi%, 76 oiGF(career high), 62 oiGA

Based on stats and facts I conclude that Matthews is better then Eichel.
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May 28, 2020 at 3:17 p.m.
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Yup. There is pretty much no way Eichel is better.

Since 16-17: Eichel, 273 GP, 113 goals, 168 assists 281 points, 1.02 PPG.
Matthews: 282 games played, 158 goals, 127 assist, 285 points. 1.01 ppg. One plays on one of the best offensive teams, one plays on the worst team in hockey.
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May 28, 2020 at 3:19 p.m.
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Since 16-17: Eichel, 273 GP, 113 goals, 168 assists 281 points, 1.02 PPG.
Matthews: 282 games played, 158 goals, 127 assist, 285 points. 1.01 ppg. One plays on one of the best offensive teams, one plays on the worst team in hockey.


Ok, so they are close. But Matthews is still better
May 28, 2020 at 3:20 p.m.
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Since 16-17: Eichel, 273 GP, 113 goals, 168 assists 281 points, 1.02 PPG.
Matthews: 282 games played, 158 goals, 127 assist, 285 points. 1.01 ppg. One plays on one of the best offensive teams, one plays on the worst team in hockey.


Who cares about the team? But on a side note, Glad you agree Toronto is an elite team.
May 28, 2020 at 3:22 p.m.
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Buffalo also only has had Eichel's line that other teams had to worry about, whereas teams had multiple lines to worry about in Toronto.
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May 28, 2020 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Ok, so they are close. But Matthews is still better


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Ok, so they are close. But Matthews is still better


Eichel has a higher ppg while getting the tougher assignments. Outside of Eichel, Reinhart And Olofsson the Sabres have no scoring threats. While in Toronto you still have to worry about Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Kapanen, Johnsson.
May 28, 2020 at 3:26 p.m.
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Eichel has a higher ppg while getting the tougher assignments. Outside of Eichel, Reinhart And Olofsson the Sabres have no scoring threats. While in Toronto you still have to worry about Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Kapanen, Johnsson.


Ya, but Matthews is a goal scorer, not an assister. Also, wouldn't use ppg as a good stat if they are 0.01 away from each other.
May 28, 2020 at 3:28 p.m.
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Eichel has a higher ppg while getting the tougher assignments. Outside of Eichel, Reinhart And Olofsson the Sabres have no scoring threats. While in Toronto you still have to worry about Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Kapanen, Johnsson.


Imagine thinking that matthews doesn’t draw the toughest defensive assignments. What planet have you been on?
May 28, 2020 at 3:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Sabres923
Since 16-17: Eichel, 273 GP, 113 goals, 168 assists 281 points, 1.02 PPG.
Matthews: 282 games played, 158 goals, 127 assist, 285 points. 1.01 ppg. One plays on one of the best offensive teams, one plays on the worst team in hockey.


Don't you think it tells you something that you have to eliminate Eichel's rookie season just to make it an argument?
May 28, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.
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Ya, but Matthews is a goal scorer, not an assister. Also, wouldn't use ppg as a good stat if they are 0.01 away from each other.


Matthews is both...

https://youtu.be/N__YA3G0Hfg
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May 28, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.
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Imagine thinking that matthews doesn’t draw the toughest defensive assignments. What planet have you been on?

He does, but he played with Marner a lot this year.. who is a top 20 player, that you can’t forget about. While Eichel who gets doubled and triple teamed when he got the puck, you would much rather take your chances with a wide open Sam Reinhart than Jack Eichel.
May 28, 2020 at 3:33 p.m.
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Don't you think it tells you something that you have to eliminate Eichel's rookie season just to make it an argument?


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Don't you think it tells you something that you have to eliminate Eichel's rookie season just to make it an argument?

His 56 rookie year playing with Cal O’Reilly, Marcus Folgnio and Matt Moulson? I did it to be fair because Matthews entered the league in 2016.
May 28, 2020 at 3:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Adambuffalo
Buffalo also only has had Eichel's line that other teams had to worry about, whereas teams had multiple lines to worry about in Toronto.


Well to counter that, Eichel also plays more minutes than Matthews. And Matthews P/60 and G/60 is significantly better than Eichel.
Matthews:
2.52 P/60 1.53 G/60

Eichel:
2.04 P/60 0.86 G/60

I don't even enjoy having this debate. Eichel is a fantastic player. I am a Leafs fan so I am biased, but I honestly do think Matthews has a slight edge at this point in their careers.
I could certainly see Eichel becoming better than Matthews some day, but right now, Matthews has the edge.
May 28, 2020 at 3:44 p.m.
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His 56 rookie year playing with Cal O’Reilly, Marcus Folgnio and Matt Moulson? I did it to be fair because Matthews entered the league in 2016.


But Matthews' rookie year alongside fellow rookies Hyman and Brown/Nylander is a-okay to be in a comparison? If you're shooting for fairness, you missed the mark. O'rielly, Foligno, and Moulson weren't Eichel's most common 5v5 linemates in 15-16 btw.
May 28, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Sabres923
Since 16-17: Eichel, 273 GP, 113 goals, 168 assists 281 points, 1.02 PPG.
Matthews: 282 games played, 158 goals, 127 assist, 285 points. 1.01 ppg. One plays on one of the best offensive teams, one plays on the worst team in hockey.


Eichel is a year older though. You really **** it up when you cut out Eichel's first few years.
May 28, 2020 at 4:27 p.m.
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Eichel is a year older though. You really **** it up when you cut out Eichel's first few years.

Matthews missed the 2015 draft cut off by a couple days.
May 28, 2020 at 8:55 p.m.
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Matthews is both...

https://youtu.be/N__YA3G0Hfg


Well ya he can assist, but that is not his strength. He’s a champion goal scorer.
May 28, 2020 at 9:51 p.m.
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Well ya he can assist, but that is not his strength. He’s a champion goal scorer.


He is great at both. He has almost as many assists as goals. Most of them from pretty feeds. He has developed a very well rounded game in both zones and is great at the dot.

No disparage meant to eichel, that guy throws the sabres on his back every night. I love the guy.
May 28, 2020 at 10:36 p.m.
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He is great at both. He has almost as many assists as goals. Most of them from pretty feeds. He has developed a very well rounded game in both zones and is great at the dot.

No disparage meant to eichel, that guy throws the sabres on his back every night. I love the guy.


Yes, but there are very few people that have more goals then assists. Usually, there are 2 assists for every goal.
May 29, 2020 at 12:43 p.m.
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Quoting: MadLin27
Well to counter that, Eichel also plays more minutes than Matthews. And Matthews P/60 and G/60 is significantly better than Eichel.
Matthews:
2.52 P/60 1.53 G/60

Eichel:
2.04 P/60 0.86 G/60


Never can prove/disprove it, but I would almost guarantee that if Eichel was playing for Toronto all along his point totals would go up a lot and Matthews would take a huge hit if he'd been playing in Buffalo the whole time.
May 29, 2020 at 12:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Adambuffalo
Never can prove/disprove it, but I would almost guarantee that if Eichel was playing for Toronto all along his point totals would go up a lot and Matthews would take a huge hit if he'd been playing in Buffalo the whole time.


Matthews was producing elite numbers when he was 19 and Hyman and Brown (basically both rookies) were his linemates...
I believe you're right that Eichel would produce more on the Leafs, but Matthews is literally the catalyst that makes the Leafs as good as they are.
Matthews isn't inflated by anything Marner or Nylander does for him. He produced playing with Hyman and Brown when all of them were (basically) rookies.
Matthews led the league to start 2018/19 playing with Kapanen.

My point is that Matthews isn't AT ALL a product of playing with good linemates, he creates the offense.. Period.
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