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Eichel over Mathews change my mind

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May 29, 2020 at 1:04 p.m.
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Dubas isnt a genius
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Quoting: Sabres923
Matthews missed the 2015 draft cut off by a couple days.


Yes but Eichel has had +1 yrs in the league...
May 29, 2020 at 1:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Yes, but there are very few people that have more goals then assists. Usually, there are 2 assists for every goal.


Not for pure goal scorers. A player like ovechkin or Laine for example. Matthews has a much greater diversity in his game.
May 29, 2020 at 1:47 p.m.
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Quoting: MadLin27

Matthews isn't inflated by anything Marner or Nylander does for him. He produced playing with Hyman and Brown when all of them were (basically) rookies.
Matthews led the league to start 2018/19 playing with Kapanen.


He is though. What those other guys did and still do to help Matthews is they give teams more than one line that they have to worry about. Jack's never had that opportunity.
May 29, 2020 at 3:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Adambuffalo
He is though. What those other guys did and still do to help Matthews is they give teams more than one line that they have to worry about. Jack's never had that opportunity.


I don't buy that at all considering Matthews is always matched up against the other teams best.
Eichel is an amazing player, but this is really grasping at straws in my opinion
Jun. 23, 2020 at 4:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Ajp_18
Matthews-
(Career)- 282 GP, 285 points, 153 goals, 266 oiGF, 217 oiGA
(This Season)- 70 GP, 80 points, 47 goals, 54.2 corsi%, 78 oiGF(career high), 52 oiGA(career low)

Eichel-
(Career)- 354 GP, 337 points, 136 goals, 297 oiGF, 328 oiGA
(This Season)- 68 GP, 78 points, 36 goals, 51.5 corsi%, 76 oiGF(career high), 62 oiGA

Based on stats and facts I conclude that Matthews is better then Eichel.


Now adjust it for team
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Jun. 23, 2020 at 5:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Imagine thinking that matthews doesn’t draw the toughest defensive assignments. What planet have you been on?


This season was the first time Matthews drew 1st line comp - and even then he and Tavares shared it about equally.

2016-17: Kadri had 38% more minutes vs 1st line comp
2017-18: Kadri had 40% more minutes vs 1st line comp
2018-19: Tavares had 72% more minutes vs 1st line comp

Since 2016-17 Eichel has played tougher minutes without question. Matthews has been a 2C.
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Jun. 23, 2020 at 5:46 p.m.
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This season was the first time Matthews drew 1st line comp - and even then he and Tavares shared it about equally.

2016-17: Kadri had 38% more minutes vs 1st line comp
2017-18: Kadri had 40% more minutes vs 1st line comp
2018-19: Tavares had 72% more minutes vs 1st line comp

Since 2016-17 Eichel has played tougher minutes without question. Matthews has been a 2C.


No I said draws toughest defense, Tavares has been the checking centre since Kadri left with help from the Matthews line.
Jun. 23, 2020 at 5:48 p.m.
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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk
Now adjust it for team


And exactly how do we do that? Rookie season leafs were coming off last place in the league... Is there some exact science to adjust? No there isn’t.
Jun. 23, 2020 at 5:52 p.m.
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No I said draws toughest defense, Tavares has been the checking centre since Kadri left with help from the Matthews line.


No, you said Matthews draws "the toughest defensive assignments" i.e. the best opposition forwards. I responded to this directly. Do you wish to move the goalposts now?
Jun. 23, 2020 at 8:36 p.m.
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Quoting: CD282
No, you said Matthews draws "the toughest defensive assignments" i.e. the best opposition forwards. I responded to this directly. Do you wish to move the goalposts now?


Yes on the other team, I may have mis worded it.

Are you always this confrontational?
 
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