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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 30, 2020
Published: May 30, 2020
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3$2,000,000
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1.
EDM
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2022 3rd round pick (TOR)
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Pick upgrades to a 2nd if Puljujarvi gets 40+ points.
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  1. Kempe, Adrian ($1,000,000 retained)
  2. Quick, Jonathan
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  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
3.
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  1. Quick, Jonathan
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  1. Murphy, Connor
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (CGY)
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May 30, 2020 at 1:59 a.m.
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you are not getting bouchard, forget about it
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May 30, 2020 at 1:59 a.m.
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He worth more than that
May 30, 2020 at 2:31 a.m.
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Edmonton gets fleeced here. LA also has no intention of CBOing Quick
May 30, 2020 at 2:32 a.m.
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At least we know that we will keep that second pick.
May 30, 2020 at 4:01 a.m.
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Edited May 30, 2020 at 4:15 a.m.. Reason: Spelling, formatting, and added clarification
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Edmonton gets fleeced here. LA also has no intention of CBOing Quick


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you are not getting bouchard, forget about it


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At least we know that we will keep that second pick.


This is a really good example of how people on this site tend to undervalue Leafs prospects.
Liljegren is 5 months older than Bouchard.
He out produces him offensively (30p in 40g vs 36p in 54g).
He is miles better defensively (If you want some detail on this read this article that goes over video).

So basically the Leafs trade a comparable but farther along prospect who is good defensively for one who is not at all, downgrade from Kerfoot to JP, AND sweeten the pot with a pick.

Leafs pass easily.
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May 30, 2020 at 7:42 a.m.
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This is a really good example of how people on this site tend to undervalue Leafs prospects.
Liljegren is 5 months older than Bouchard.
He out produces him offensively (30p in 40g vs 36p in 54g).
He is miles better defensively (If you want some detail on this read this article that goes over video).

So basically the Leafs trade a comparable but farther along prospect who is good defensively for one who is not at all, downgrade from Kerfoot to JP, AND sweeten the pot with a pick.

Leafs pass easily.


I'm not really sure how you can compare points that close when the Marlies put up 64 more goals then the Condors this season. Considering both would be playing top pair I would imagine that give at least a +10 to +15 point advantage to Liljegren. Also unlike Liljegren who is in his 3rd AHL season of 40+ games, Bouchard is a rookie in the league. If we take a look at Liljegren's first 2 seasons in the AHL he had 17 and 15 points respectively. regardless of age being only 6 months apart there is an advantage to having 2 more years of experience in a league. Bouchard is one of the highest ranked defense prospects out there, where Liljegren doesnt crack the top 20. I don't doubt that Liljegren is better defensively, its the role I expect him to play when he makes the big leagues but saying a vet is better offensively then a rookie when they put up similar points is just wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Liljegren and any Oilers prospect can go suck it for all I care, but don't try to tell me they are similar in skill players when every scout and prospect site says otherwise. This is not a biased opinion at all against the leafs (like I'm a flames fan that lives in Toronto ffs, why would I ever side the oilers over the leafs), this is the information I've gathered from looking at and listening to professionals opinions.
May 30, 2020 at 8:40 a.m.
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This is a really good example of how people on this site tend to undervalue Leafs prospects.
Liljegren is 5 months older than Bouchard.
He out produces him offensively (30p in 40g vs 36p in 54g).
He is miles better defensively (If you want some detail on this read this article that goes over video).

So basically the Leafs trade a comparable but farther along prospect who is good defensively for one who is not at all, downgrade from Kerfoot to JP, AND sweeten the pot with a pick.

Leafs pass easily.


Just to add to your comment. Another ACGM squad that think all other RHD are so much better than the Leafs. That Chicago trade...Holl is a solid NHLer and Kapanen for two years of Murphy shakes head
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May 30, 2020 at 9:27 a.m.
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This is a really good example of how people on this site tend to undervalue Leafs prospects.
Liljegren is 5 months older than Bouchard.
He out produces him offensively (30p in 40g vs 36p in 54g).
He is miles better defensively (If you want some detail on this read this article that goes over video).

So basically the Leafs trade a comparable but farther along prospect who is good defensively for one who is not at all, downgrade from Kerfoot to JP, AND sweeten the pot with a pick.

Leafs pass easily.


Evil stat guy; who always quotes judging players by just points is just stupid when others try to use that argument against his opinion when he brings up useless advance stats. Funny.
May 30, 2020 at 9:30 a.m.
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I'm not really sure how you can compare points that close when the Marlies put up 64 more goals then the Condors this season. Considering both would be playing top pair I would imagine that give at least a +10 to +15 point advantage to Liljegren. Also unlike Liljegren who is in his 3rd AHL season of 40+ games, Bouchard is a rookie in the league. If we take a look at Liljegren's first 2 seasons in the AHL he had 17 and 15 points respectively. regardless of age being only 6 months apart there is an advantage to having 2 more years of experience in a league. Bouchard is one of the highest ranked defense prospects out there, where Liljegren doesnt crack the top 20. I don't doubt that Liljegren is better defensively, its the role I expect him to play when he makes the big leagues but saying a vet is better offensively then a rookie when they put up similar points is just wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Liljegren and any Oilers prospect can go suck it for all I care, but don't try to tell me they are similar in skill players when every scout and prospect site says otherwise. This is not a biased opinion at all against the leafs (like I'm a flames fan that lives in Toronto ffs, why would I ever side the oilers over the leafs), this is the information I've gathered from looking at and listening to professionals opinions.


You owned random2152 on that exchange.
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May 30, 2020 at 9:59 a.m.
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You owned random2152 on that exchange.


I have a friend who does analytics at sportsnet and is a big leafs fan, the other day we talked about Liljegren. He said Lily will probably end up being a 3rd pair guy if he even makes it, and i argued i think he can be a solid #4. People on here seem to think I hate the leafs because i play devils advocate.
May 30, 2020 at 10:08 a.m.
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This is a really good example of how people on this site tend to undervalue Leafs prospects.
Liljegren is 5 months older than Bouchard.
He out produces him offensively (30p in 40g vs 36p in 54g).
He is miles better defensively (If you want some detail on this read this article that goes over video).

So basically the Leafs trade a comparable but farther along prospect who is good defensively for one who is not at all, downgrade from Kerfoot to JP, AND sweeten the pot with a pick.

Leafs pass easily.


I tend to agree, Bouchard has not really progressed which is sort of the biggest issue in Edmonton, they just don't develop players well. The Leafs certainly do, we just need to be patient.
May 30, 2020 at 10:11 a.m.
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I'm not really sure how you can compare points that close when the Marlies put up 64 more goals then the Condors this season. Considering both would be playing top pair I would imagine that give at least a +10 to +15 point advantage to Liljegren. Also unlike Liljegren who is in his 3rd AHL season of 40+ games, Bouchard is a rookie in the league. If we take a look at Liljegren's first 2 seasons in the AHL he had 17 and 15 points respectively. regardless of age being only 6 months apart there is an advantage to having 2 more years of experience in a league. Bouchard is one of the highest ranked defense prospects out there, where Liljegren doesnt crack the top 20. I don't doubt that Liljegren is better defensively, its the role I expect him to play when he makes the big leagues but saying a vet is better offensively then a rookie when they put up similar points is just wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Liljegren and any Oilers prospect can go suck it for all I care, but don't try to tell me they are similar in skill players when every scout and prospect site says otherwise. This is not a biased opinion at all against the leafs (like I'm a flames fan that lives in Toronto ffs, why would I ever side the oilers over the leafs), this is the information I've gathered from looking at and listening to professionals opinions.


Thats actually not true, Bouchard is not considered a high end prospect by a lot of people. He didn't have a great world Juniors in his draft plus 1 season and hasn't progressed like others have. It's not entirely his fault,. Edmonton doesn't really have a very good player development program for prospects. At least not like TO does.
May 30, 2020 at 12:57 p.m.
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You owned random2152 on that exchange.


Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I'm not really sure how you can compare points that close when the Marlies put up 64 more goals then the Condors this season. Considering both would be playing top pair I would imagine that give at least a +10 to +15 point advantage to Liljegren. Also unlike Liljegren who is in his 3rd AHL season of 40+ games, Bouchard is a rookie in the league. If we take a look at Liljegren's first 2 seasons in the AHL he had 17 and 15 points respectively. regardless of age being only 6 months apart there is an advantage to having 2 more years of experience in a league. Bouchard is one of the highest ranked defense prospects out there, where Liljegren doesnt crack the top 20. I don't doubt that Liljegren is better defensively, its the role I expect him to play when he makes the big leagues but saying a vet is better offensively then a rookie when they put up similar points is just wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Liljegren and any Oilers prospect can go suck it for all I care, but don't try to tell me they are similar in skill players when every scout and prospect site says otherwise. This is not a biased opinion at all against the leafs (like I'm a flames fan that lives in Toronto ffs, why would I ever side the oilers over the leafs), this is the information I've gathered from looking at and listening to professionals opinions.


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I just want to address the goals bit - The Marlies ****ing sucked this year. Liljegren putting up those numbers means he was pulling his weight and more, so I don't think saying the Marlies scored more is a legitimate criticism of Liljegren. I am also not sure that saying Liljegren playing in the AHL at 18 is somehow a knock against his value here.

And analytics aren't tracked in the lower leagues. Maybe stop trying to 'own' me for two seconds so you can get a rational thought accross.
May 30, 2020 at 2:26 p.m.
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I tend to agree, Bouchard has not really progressed which is sort of the biggest issue in Edmonton, they just don't develop players well. The Leafs certainly do, we just need to be patient.


Completely untrue.
May 30, 2020 at 2:49 p.m.
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I just want to address the goals bit - The Marlies ****ing sucked this year. Liljegren putting up those numbers means he was pulling his weight and more, so I don't think saying the Marlies scored more is a legitimate criticism of Liljegren. I am also not sure that saying Liljegren playing in the AHL at 18 is somehow a knock against his value here.

And analytics aren't tracked in the lower leagues. Maybe stop trying to 'own' me for two seconds so you can get a rational thought accross.


Ok Mr. Rational thought.
Lets pretend for a second that your point about the Marlies "****ing sucking" this year has merit. Does that also not mean the Condors, who also finished 2nd last in their division with 13 less points then the Marlies also has Merit? Goals are still goals and Marlies still scored 64 more then the Condors. You are once again bringing age into this, yes Liljegren entered the league at a younger age. Yes he sucked in comparison to his 3rd year in the league. That doesn't mean there is no advantage to being a 3rd year vs a 1st year. I am not knocking Liljegren's value but the exact opposite, I am boosting Bouchards since he is a rookie.
Again I don't hate the Leafs or their prospects but I'm not going to ignore professional opinions on a player who had a great rookie AHL season.
May 30, 2020 at 2:58 p.m.
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Ok Mr. Rational thought.
Lets pretend for a second that your point about the Marlies "****ing sucking" this year has merit. Does that also not mean the Condors, who also finished 2nd last in their division with 13 less points then the Marlies also has Merit? Goals are still goals and Marlies still scored 64 more then the Condors. You are once again bringing age into this, yes Liljegren entered the league at a younger age. Yes he sucked in comparison to his 3rd year in the league. That doesn't mean there is no advantage to being a 3rd year vs a 1st year. I am not knocking Liljegren's value but the exact opposite, I am boosting Bouchards since he is a rookie.
Again I don't hate the Leafs or their prospects but I'm not going to ignore professional opinions on a player who had a great rookie AHL season.


If I was random2152 I wouldn't respond, he has already been knocked down twice, another jab and he'll be TKO.

LOL

His only saving grace is using the argument that next season alone, I would want Lily on my team over Bouchard, since Lily IS more NHL ready, but 3 years from now it'll be a different story.
May 30, 2020 at 2:59 p.m.
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Completely untrue.


Well Liljegren was an all star this season in the AHL, was Bouchard?
May 30, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.
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Well Liljegren was an all star this season in the AHL, was Bouchard?


Consider the goalposts moved.
May 30, 2020 at 3:30 p.m.
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Consider the goalposts moved.


I don't think Bouchard is bad, I just don't think he's going to be an elite player. I think if he's a 2nd pair guy or an offensive defenceman who doesn't defend that well may be what he becomes.
May 30, 2020 at 3:59 p.m.
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I don't think Bouchard is bad, I just don't think he's going to be an elite player. I think if he's a 2nd pair guy or an offensive defenceman who doesn't defend that well may be what he becomes.


What does your projection have to do with your false claim that he hasn't progressed? Just because he wasn't named an all-star in his rookie campaign means he hasn't progressed?! Strange criteria.
May 30, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.
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Well Liljegren was an all star this season in the AHL, was Bouchard?


BTW, Liljegren wasn't an all-star. Sandin and Kaskisuo were named from Toronto.

https://theahl.com/rosters-2020-ahl-all-star-classic
May 30, 2020 at 4:46 p.m.
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This is a really good example of how people on this site tend to undervalue Leafs prospects.
Liljegren is 5 months older than Bouchard.
He out produces him offensively (30p in 40g vs 36p in 54g).
He is miles better defensively (If you want some detail on this read this article that goes over video).

So basically the Leafs trade a comparable but farther along prospect who is good defensively for one who is not at all, downgrade from Kerfoot to JP, AND sweeten the pot with a pick.

Leafs pass easily.


his game may be better right now , but bouchard's potential as a powerplay quaterback given his dangerous shot
And remember he was a rookie unlike your guy who was in is third season
May 30, 2020 at 4:47 p.m.
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I tend to agree, Bouchard has not really progressed which is sort of the biggest issue in Edmonton, they just don't develop players well. The Leafs certainly do, we just need to be patient.


I mean whats your proof
May 30, 2020 at 7:30 p.m.
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What does your projection have to do with your false claim that he hasn't progressed? Just because he wasn't named an all-star in his rookie campaign means he hasn't progressed?! Strange criteria.


Oiler fans like to talk like Bouchard is going to be Doughty. Which I think is beyond being ureasonable.
May 30, 2020 at 7:32 p.m.
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BTW, Liljegren wasn't an all-star. Sandin and Kaskisuo were named from Toronto.

https://theahl.com/rosters-2020-ahl-all-star-classic


My bad, I thought Liljegren was a late addition.
 
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