These are pretty much all of the (serious) offseason moves I've suggested for the Blackhawks to this point. If they get a CBO, they could have another $7 million to play with (which now that I think about it actually scares me), but considering that that doesn't look to likely I'm glad to see this team fits under the cap.
Some defenses of things:
The Tuch trade got mixed reviews last time I suggested it. I still really like it because I think it addresses a long term need really well. Tuch has had an amazing run in Vegas, but was injured to start the season, never really got going and then was injured to end the season. I haven't seen a ton of Tuch, but just looking the numbers/highlights, there's a lot to like. Reminds me a lot of Brandon Saad with his skating, defense and tendency to get to the front of the net, with Saad being a UFA a year from now, Tuch could be an excellent replacement. Strome could seem like a lot to give up, but I think its a pretty even trade in terms of pure production and although Strome plays center which is more valuable, the Hawks have so many centers coming up, with the potential to draft a guy like Lundell or Zary this year in the first round.
Howden is in Rockford because he's been pretty bad for the Rangers since turning pro and is waiver exempt. He's played a total of 8 AHL games, all of which came with Syracuse three years ago. I think moving him to the wing could help -- he's not awful in the faceoff circle, but maybe he just doesn't play the 200 foot game well enough right now? The Hawks also have a glut of centers right now, both in the NHL and the AHL. I know none of this sounds super promising, but I do think he could turn into a solid middle sixer if he's brought along properly and I don't think the Rangers have been doing that. Only concern is that he will have to be protected for expansion, so hopefully he shows some progress and warrants being protected.
Kampf is on the third line because he was there earlier this season and was fine. He was the third best player on a line with Saad and Kubalik when they were all together and it looks like that will be the case with Saad and Nylander in this scenario. Saad's possession numbers are great and he gets to good scoring areas, Nylander is a good skater and working on a deadly shot and Kampf is excellent in the faceoff circle and has historically been a good defender (although he wasn't great this year). Together, I think that could end up being an excellent mix and I actually really want to see it next season or even in the play-ins/playoffs.
I don't know much about Ian Mitchell, but every Hawks fan I've talked to has completely gushed over how ready he is and what an asset he will be in the (near) future. If that's true, I'm really excited for him. Sounds like he's a bit more capable defensively, which is why I have him up with Keith and Boqvist bumped down. Could go either way, but this is what they did with Jokiharju so I guess I could see it with Mitchell too. This is also all assuming Seabrook is scratched (and that there's no CBO), which I don't totally trust them to do, but it needs to happen, especially if Mitchell is ready.
@KakkoForMauriceRichardAward suggested it to me. I’m fine with lowering the pick that the Hawks are getting back or even dropping Howden altogether. Made sense on the surface to me
@KakkoForMauriceRichardAward suggested it to me. I’m fine with lowering the pick that the Hawks are getting back or even dropping Howden altogether. Made sense on the surface to me
Howden is a young C and a 2nd for a bad defenseman and a 4th? no interest there. with Maatta contract's well take your CGY third to take him.
Howden is a young C and a 2nd for a bad defenseman and a 4th? no interest there. with Maatta contract's well take your CGY third to take him.
I don't think you watched much of Maatta last year. No one's going to confuse him for a norris candidate, but he was solid. I wouldn't give anything away in order to shed his contract. one of the most friendly team buyouts, but he was actually pretty good for CHI. It's just that his speed (or lack there of) get's exponentially worse on a team like PIT that's built for speed. For a team that's built for 2-way hockey...he was pretty good.
This isn't related to the thread, but would Hawks fans have any interest in Kampf for Bennett? I ask this because Bowman has shown a willingness to bet on underperforming players that were drafted high, like how he acquired Strome and Perlini.
Drop the picks, retain half, and Rangers accept. I don't mind Maattaa as a bottom pair guy. That being said, Howden (even with Maattaa half retained) is half the price and 3.5 years younger.
This isn't related to the thread, but would Hawks fans have any interest in Kampf for Bennett? I ask this because Bowman has shown a willingness to bet on underperforming players that were drafted high, like how he acquired Strome and Perlini.
Perhaps, but Bennett is a bit pricey for the Hawks and like I said, the Hawks have so many middle six centers coming up, so I don’t know if it’s worth it for them. On the other hand, I feel like the Flames could get more back for him. The only reason Kampf is on the third line is because I think there’s a specific situation in which he can succeed. I’m not sure he’s a third line center on other teams, at least without some serious tinkering.
Drop the picks, retain half, and Rangers accept. I don't mind Maattaa as a bottom pair guy. That being said, Howden (even with Maattaa half retained) is half the price and 3.5 years younger.
Not crazy about the retention but from an asset standpoint I think that’s close to fair
Perhaps, but Bennett is a bit pricey for the Hawks and like I said, the Hawks have so many middle six centers coming up, so I don’t know if it’s worth it for them. On the other hand, I feel like the Flames could get more back for him. The only reason Kampf is on the third line is because I think there’s a specific situation in which he can succeed. I’m not sure he’s a third line center on other teams, at least without some serious tinkering.
I haven't seen much of him, I just really like his contract haha
Not crazy about the retention but from an asset standpoint I think that’s close to fair
yeah I think with your cap commitments to guys like Seabrook and the fact that you're in a rebuild, I don't think retaining makes sense for you either. But I'd say that's where the value is. Given his mediocre season in the AHL this year, similar pedigrees and only a year and a half apart in age, I think you could easily make an argument for a Howden for Beaudin swap being a bit closer.
I haven't seen much of him, I just really like his contract haha
The Hawks didn’t qualify him last season either lol, which kinda freaked all of us out because of how good we know he can be defensively. Has had a tough year this season, but I think he’ll get back to where he was.
yeah I think with your cap commitments to guys like Seabrook and the fact that you're in a rebuild, I don't think retaining makes sense for you either. But I'd say that's where the value is. Given his mediocre season in the AHL this year, similar pedigrees and only a year and a half apart in age, I think you could easily make an argument for a Howden for Beaudin swap being a bit closer.
Beaudin doesn’t put up a ton of points, but he’s taken huge strides defensively and looked great in his one game in the NHL this year and might’ve finished out the season with the big team, if not for the virus. I’d rather hold onto him if Howden is who we’re getting back
Drop the picks, retain half, and Rangers accept. I don't mind Maattaa as a bottom pair guy. That being said, Howden (even with Maattaa half retained) is half the price and 3.5 years younger.
He has a $680K; Hawks would never retain more then $600K otherwise they just buy him out.
This isn't related to the thread, but would Hawks fans have any interest in Kampf for Bennett? I ask this because Bowman has shown a willingness to bet on underperforming players that were drafted high, like how he acquired Strome and Perlini.
I probably would do it. Bennett's next contract is a bit of a question mark for me. The hard part is the Colliton LOVES Kampf. Absolutely loves him. So I don't know if the team would...but I would
This isn't related to the thread, but would Hawks fans have any interest in Kampf for Bennett? I ask this because Bowman has shown a willingness to bet on underperforming players that were drafted high, like how he acquired Strome and Perlini.
I would like that deal, but colliton loves Kampf so who knows
yeah I think with your cap commitments to guys like Seabrook and the fact that you're in a rebuild, I don't think retaining makes sense for you either. But I'd say that's where the value is. Given his mediocre season in the AHL this year, similar pedigrees and only a year and a half apart in age, I think you could easily make an argument for a Howden for Beaudin swap being a bit closer.
I get a bad feeling that if Bowman is still GM by the time a potential CBO comes along, Seabrook is NOT bought out. That begs the question, who would be or would they just not do it? We all buy out Seabrook because we don't have a job to lose and its logical, but sitting in the hot seat can make you do weird things OR trusted advisors give bad advice, etc. idk, I'm just nervous that if CBO is granted it wouldn't be spent on Seabrook. Maybe De Haan? Smith and Maatta can be traded (more Maatta than Smith) and their buyouts are cheap. De Haan would be next I would assume especially if they think Shaw is LTIRetired.
I get a bad feeling that if Bowman is still GM by the time a potential CBO comes along, Seabrook is NOT bought out. That begs the question, who would be or would they just not do it? We all buy out Seabrook because we don't have a job to lose and its logical, but sitting in the hot seat can make you do weird things OR trusted advisors give bad advice, etc. idk, I'm just nervous that if CBO is granted it wouldn't be spent on Seabrook. Maybe De Haan? Smith and Maatta can be traded (more Maatta than Smith) and their buyouts are cheap. De Haan would be next I would assume especially if they think Shaw is LTIRetired.
Lol I have the same fear, could totally see the FO using it on Smith or Shaw, which would boggle my mind. But that’s assuming they even get one and the consensus among a lot of people on here is that there won’t be any, which is why I excluded it on here. De Haan I can’t see them buying out because he’s still a legit top-4 defensemen when healthy. So unless his injuries have totally ruined him, I imagine they can find a trade partner, if it comes to that.
Lol I have the same fear, could totally see the FO using it on Smith or Shaw, which would boggle my mind. But that’s assuming they even get one and the consensus among a lot of people on here is that there won’t be any, which is why I excluded it on here. De Haan I can’t see them buying out because he’s still a legit top-4 defensemen when healthy. So unless his injuries have totally ruined him, I imagine they can find a trade partner, if it comes to that.
I agree I like De Haan and don't want to see him go because I too think he's a legit #3D. I don't think there will be a CBO either.