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Would Rangers fans do this after the year Kaako just had

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I know Rangers probably wouldn't do this, but I'm just curious to see how Rangers fans rate Kaako after his first season.
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 8:48 a.m.
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No for the simple reason we have SOOO many D prospects...

K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist, Matthews Robertson, Zac Jones, Libor Hajek is still around and Rykov is still around
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 8:58 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
No for the simple reason we have SOOO many D prospects...

K'Andre Miller, Nils Lundkvist, Matthews Robertson, Zac Jones, Libor Hajek is still around and Rykov is still around


Do any of those really have the potential to be #1 Dmen though? Genuine question.

I think Rangers need a top pairing LHD more than a winger given that you have Panarin/Kreider/Buchnevich/Kravtsov/Lias (plus whoever you draft at #13 this year which is very likely to be a forward based on the prospect rankings). Unless K'Andre takes a huge step forward you're probably going to struggle to find a top pairing LHD.
Jun. 1, 2020 at 9:04 a.m.
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Do any of those really have the potential to be #1 Dmen though? Genuine question.

I think Rangers need a top pairing LHD more than a winger given that you have Panarin/Kreider/Buchnevich/Kravtsov/Lias (plus whoever you draft at #13 this year which is very likely to be a forward based on the prospect rankings). Unless K'Andre takes a huge step forward you're probably going to struggle to find a top pairing LHD.


Fair point but we also have Adam Fox and Tony DeAngelo or Jacob Trouba...

In 3 years our D-core could look like this:
Lindgren-Fox(who play REALLY well together)
Miller-DeAngelo
Robertson/Jones-Lundkvist

Or
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Robertson/Jones-Lundkvist
Jun. 1, 2020 at 9:14 a.m.
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Did you know Kakko is a diabetic?
What if he is not allowed to play just like Domi and Kunin?


All 3 have compromised immune systems
Jun. 1, 2020 at 9:15 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Fair point but we also have Adam Fox and Tony DeAngelo or Jacob Trouba...

In 3 years our D-core could look like this:
Lindgren-Fox(who play REALLY well together)
Miller-DeAngelo
Robertson/Jones-Lundkvist

Or
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Robertson/Jones-Lundkvist

That looks pretty good on paper, but you're depending on all of your prospects hitting their ceiling there, which is usually quite optimistic (Avs fans like myself are guilty of that too to be fair).

Also, what makes you think you'll be able to move Trouba's $8m x 6 year NMC contract? I don't think anyone's likely to want to take that on that $8m caphit this offseason before his NMC kicks in.
Jun. 1, 2020 at 9:16 a.m.
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Did you know Kakko is a diabetic?
What if he is not allowed to play just like Domi and Kunin?


All 3 have compromised immune systems


I didn't know that. Do you think that's something that could affect him long-term, or just this year?
Jun. 1, 2020 at 9:18 a.m.
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I didn't know that. Do you think that's something that could affect him long-term, or just this year?


It will effect all 3 right now and next season at the very least.
And them if they dont play, that will effect if they play beyond that.

Far too much emphasis is put that vaccine happens, is it impossible that they dont have vaccine for years and years?
Jun. 1, 2020 at 9:23 a.m.
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That looks pretty good on paper, but you're depending on all of your prospects hitting their ceiling there, which is usually quite optimistic (Avs fans like myself are guilty of that too to be fair).

Also, what makes you think you'll be able to move Trouba's $8m x 6 year NMC contract? I don't think anyone's likely to want to take that on that $8m caphit this offseason before his NMC kicks in.


Trouba's NMC kicks in later this offseason we can move him before that
Jun. 1, 2020 at 9:28 a.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Trouba's NMC kicks in later this offseason we can move him before that


Which team do you think will want to take on an $8m caphit for a Dman coming off a 27 point season with a likely flat cap for 1-2 years? Are you counting on one of NJ, Winnipeg, Anaheim, Detroit, or Buffalo bailing you out?
Jun. 1, 2020 at 9:42 a.m.
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No, no they wouldn't. Kakko had a poor season, but Byram didn't do anything to close the gap between them either.

Not to mention the deepest part of the Rangers prospect pool is LD.
Jun. 1, 2020 at 9:45 a.m.
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Did you know Kakko is a diabetic?
What if he is not allowed to play just like Domi and Kunin?


All 3 have compromised immune systems


I'm shocked conversations like this haven't been more prevalent throughout the return to play discussion. What about guys like Brian Boyle or Phil Kessel who are cancer survivors? Returning to play is a potentially life threatening proposition for immunocompromised players, and for staff as well. Hockey players are generally fairly healthy, but there are also hundreds of event staff and trainers at risk here too.
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 10:01 a.m.
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I'm shocked conversations like this haven't been more prevalent throughout the return to play discussion. What about guys like Brian Boyle or Phil Kessel who are cancer survivors? Returning to play is a potentially life threatening proposition for immunocompromised players, and for staff as well. Hockey players are generally fairly healthy, but there are also hundreds of event staff and trainers at risk here too.


1000000 % with you.
Jun. 1, 2020 at 10:46 a.m.
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No, no they wouldn't. Kakko had a poor season, but Byram didn't do anything to close the gap between them either.

Not to mention the deepest part of the Rangers prospect pool is LD.


LHD might be Rangers' deepest position, but it's also the one position where you lack a true first line calibre player/prospect. You have Panarin/Kaako/Kreider/Kravtsov on the wing; Zib at C; Shesterkin in goal; Fox/Trouba/DeAngelo at RHD, but you lack a true #1 LHD despite having a tonne of #3-6 LHD's.

Note that I'm not trying to bash the Rangers; quite the contrary. If you added a top LHD (and a stronger 2C than Strome) I think you wouldn't be far away from competing in the playoffs with the pieces you have.
Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:03 a.m.
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LHD might be Rangers' deepest position, but it's also the one position where you lack a true first line calibre player/prospect. You have Panarin/Kaako/Kreider/Kravtsov on the wing; Zib at C; Shesterkin in goal; Fox/Trouba/DeAngelo at RHD, but you lack a true #1 LHD despite having a tonne of #3-6 LHD's.

Note that I'm not trying to bash the Rangers; quite the contrary. If you added a top LHD (and a stronger 2C than Strome) I think you wouldn't be far away from competing in the playoffs with the pieces you have.


They're in the play-in despite playing Skjei, Staal, Hajek & Smith on LD this season. When guys like Robertson, Miller, Rykov, Jones, Reunanen start making the NHL, they'll be fine. And Chytil's looking like a future Top 6 C too. Byram is a good prospect, but Kakko's (significantly) better
Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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They're in the play-in despite playing Skjei, Staal, Hajek & Smith on LD this season. When guys like Robertson, Miller, Rykov, Jones, Reunanen start making the NHL, they'll be fine. And Chytil's looking like a future Top 6 C too. Byram is a good prospect, but Kakko's (significantly) better


In any normal year they'd be well out of contention for the playoffs. They really should be much higher in the standings with with players like Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, and DeAngelo having career years; good goaltending; and a supporting group of Kreider, Buchnevich, Strome, etc. Give this team a top LHD and they'd easily be a playoff team.
Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:54 a.m.
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In any normal year they'd be well out of contention for the playoffs. They really should be much higher in the standings with with players like Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, and DeAngelo having career years; good goaltending; and a supporting group of Kreider, Buchnevich, Strome, etc. Give this team a top LHD and they'd easily be a playoff team.


In any normal year? At the time of the break, they were 2 points out of a playoff spot and surging, even with injuries to guys like Kreider and Chytil. You very clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

EDIT: and that's with Zibanejad missing 11 games and Shesterkin not being called up until 1/7
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 12:05 p.m.
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I think they would only trade Kaapo for a Center Prospect with similar value
Jun. 1, 2020 at 12:56 p.m.
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Kakko is a rookie, he played a lot more than other rookies recently over the course of a year including Europe. Should the Devils give up so soon on Jack Hughes?
Byram is an elite prospect we all know this. Rangers have a lot of dmen in their system. Miller has top 4 LHD potential, Lindgren has showed he can play top 4. Rykov, Hajek have shown they can play. Rangers are set on the RHD side TDA, Fox, Trouba now Lundkvist who has top 4 potential. If one of those 4 thinking Fox can play top 4 on the left, the defense is set for years. Can always find a 3rd pair journey man if needed. But Lindgren, Miller and Fox or TDA is more than fine.
If Kakko gets moved it would be simply put for a guy who is his age bracket and a future 2C if Chytil doesn’t end up as that.
Jun. 1, 2020 at 2:00 p.m.
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In any normal year? At the time of the break, they were 2 points out of a playoff spot and surging, even with injuries to guys like Kreider and Chytil. You very clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

EDIT: and that's with Zibanejad missing 11 games and Shesterkin not being called up until 1/7


Oh man you're right, I completely forgot how close Rangers actually were. Apologies for my oversight, and thank you for correcting me.

That said, I think my point still stands, that Rangers would be higher in the standings (perhaps even competing for the division title) if they had a true #1LHD because that is the one glaring weakness on the team.
 
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