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would montreal do this trade

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Team: 2020-21 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 1, 2020
Published: Jun. 1, 2020
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Lately on this site, I've been seeing the montreal kid being traded alot. I think he still has the chance to develop into a really good player but Montreal really screwed him up like oilers screwed up with poolparty
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:17 p.m.
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I wouldn’t say they “screwed him up” I think they just realized he was struggling this season and wasn’t taking the steps forward this year he was last year and rather then let him struggle, they sent him down to develop there. Seems like a good move in the long term tbh

Not a Montreal fan, but that’s what I thought was going on
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:19 p.m.
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Kotkaniemi Is 19.
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:20 p.m.
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if Kotkaniemi is screwed up then Puljujärvi is a lost cause
Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Kotkaniemi Is 19.


Ya BuT siNcE hEs nOt pUtTing Up 90 Pts HEs A buSt
Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:21 p.m.
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I wouldn’t say they “screwed him up” I think they just realized he was struggling this season and wasn’t taking the steps forward this year he was last year and rather then let him struggle, they sent him down to develop there. Seems like a good move in the long term tbh

Not a Montreal fan, but that’s what I thought was going on

AMD was struggling due to injuries
Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Howisbergevinstillhere
Ya BuT siNcE hEs nOt pUtTing Up 90 Pts HEs A buSt


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AMD was struggling due to injuries


Nah but why are canadiens fans are hating on him
Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:24 p.m.
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Nah but why are canadiens fans are hating on him


I have no damn idea. He’s 19, was injured and had a better rookie year than hughes and kakko
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:25 p.m.
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AMD was struggling due to injuries


And turns out that putting on 15 lbs in one summer will hinder your skating ability, who knew ?
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:35 p.m.
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JK > Puli... gonna be a heck of a lot of picks
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:36 p.m.
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Nah but why are canadiens fans are hating on him


Who’s hating on him ? Didn’t see a single person on this site saying KK is a bust
Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:41 p.m.
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Who’s hating on him ? Didn’t see a single person on this site saying KK is a bust


JK will be fine. He probably won’t be an elite 1C but that doesn’t mean he’s a bust. I still think it was a stretch to pick him at #3 but he’ll be fine
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Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:44 p.m.
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JK will be fine. He probably won’t be an elite 1C but that doesn’t mean he’s a bust. I still think it was a stretch to pick him at #3 but he’ll be fine


Yeah but MTL really needed high quality center, we didn’t have Suzuki when we drafted him and Danault is a really good 2C
Jun. 1, 2020 at 11:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Howisbergevinstillhere
Ya BuT siNcE hEs nOt pUtTing Up 90 Pts HEs A buSt


To be fair, he's not Brady Tkachuk.
Jun. 2, 2020 at 12:10 a.m.
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Yeah but MTL really needed high quality center, we didn’t have Suzuki when we drafted him and Danault is a really good 2C


I still think drafting Best player available is the way to build championship teams. Pens drafted 3 centres in a row (Malkin, Crosby, Staal) and it worked out pretty well for them. Habs have been desperate for a true #1C for years. I understand the need of drafting one, but I still think Drafting BPA is the way to go
Jun. 2, 2020 at 12:41 a.m.
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I still think drafting Best player available is the way to build championship teams. Pens drafted 3 centres in a row (Malkin, Crosby, Staal) and it worked out pretty well for them. Habs have been desperate for a true #1C for years. I understand the need of drafting one, but I still think Drafting BPA is the way to go


Sure but u passed on Phil kessel. Also the next two were toews and backstrom. Most teams almost never draft bpa unless he’s considerably better which tkachuk isn’t.
Jun. 2, 2020 at 1:15 a.m.
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Sure but u passed on Phil kessel. Also the next two were toews and backstrom. Most teams almost never draft bpa unless he’s considerably better which tkachuk isn’t.


the issue with staal was that he was always behind Crosby/Malkin his entire run in Pittsburgh. he never got the top 6 minutes or opportunities to play with more skilled forwards. he was penciled in at 2nd overall that draft by a lot of scouting reports. staal took a defensive shutdown role at the beginning of his tenure with pit. he never was able to reach his offensive ceiling because of it. if Pens selected toews or backstrom instead, I think it would've been a similar situation. Its tough to develop into an elite offensive centre when you are employed as a defensive specialist. he still was able to put up 50-60 point pace during his tenure with pit which is very impressive in that role. Staal was a key part of our 2008 cup final and 2009 cup win in his role. pens ended up trading staal to Carolina and part of the return was Dumo and Sutter (who was flipped for Bonino) and both were key components to our back to back cup run so Pit has done well. Tkachuck is considerably better than JK. he would've been a much better choice. even Zadina I think will end up being a better player.
Jun. 2, 2020 at 1:24 a.m.
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the issue with staal was that he was always behind Crosby/Malkin his entire run in Pittsburgh. he never got the top 6 minutes or opportunities to play with more skilled forwards. he was penciled in at 2nd overall that draft by a lot of scouting reports. staal took a defensive shutdown role at the beginning of his tenure with pit. he never was able to reach his offensive ceiling because of it. if Pens selected toews or backstrom instead, I think it would've been a similar situation. Its tough to develop into an elite offensive centre when you are employed as a defensive specialist. he still was able to put up 50-60 point pace during his tenure with pit which is very impressive in that role. Staal was a key part of our 2008 cup final and 2009 cup win in his role. pens ended up trading staal to Carolina and part of the return was Dumo and Sutter (who was flipped for Bonino) and both were key components to our back to back cup run so Pit has done well. Tkachuck is considerably better than JK. he would've been a much better choice. even Zadina I think will end up being a better player.

So you see the problem with always bpa. He was stuck on the third line while kessel would have top minutes with either Crosby or malkin. As for tkachuk, he is nice and physical but isn’t much of a game breaker. Yes he can hit which is nice but he’s okay at d and okay at offence. I understand he’s 20 but from year one to two he really didn’t improve. Yes kk is young, and yes he needs to develop more but realistically a 60 point c who can defend real well is so valuable. And as for zadina it’s the same thing. He would have to score 40-40 to be more valuable than a 60 point kk
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Jun. 2, 2020 at 1:32 a.m.
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So you see the problem with always bpa. He was stuck on the third line while kessel would have top minutes with either Crosby or malkin. As for tkachuk, he is nice and physical but isn’t much of a game breaker. Yes he can hit which is nice but he’s okay at d and okay at offence. I understand he’s 20 but from year one to two he really didn’t improve. Yes kk is young, and yes he needs to develop more but realistically a 60 point c who can defend real well is so valuable. And as for zadina it’s the same thing. He would have to score 40-40 to be more valuable than a 60 point kk


-In pens case you are right, because Pit had 2 elite centres ahead of staal. It hurt his offensive development. but like I stated... drafting staal 2OA lead to 3 cups and 4 cup final appearances. since drafting staal pens haven't missed the playoffs AND pens ended up acquiring kessel in 2016. I wouldn't change a thing as a pens fan.
-Habs wouldn't have had anyone ahead of Zadina or Tkachuk though. They both would've had ample opportunities to develop. I think Tkachuk is such a valuable player. he may never be a 100 point guy but hes the definition of a modern day power forward.
-I dont think its out of the stretch for zadina to develop into an 80 point guy
-and once again, IF habs drafted Zadina (or Tkachuk) in 2018, in a vacuum, they could've selected Newhook in 2019 to be that 1C
Jun. 2, 2020 at 1:44 a.m.
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-In pens case you are right, because Pit had 2 elite centres ahead of staal. It hurt his offensive development. but like I stated... drafting staal 2OA lead to 3 cups and 4 cup final appearances. since drafting staal pens haven't missed the playoffs AND pens ended up acquiring kessel in 2016. I wouldn't change a thing as a pens fan.
-Habs wouldn't have had anyone ahead of Zadina or Tkachuk though. They both would've had ample opportunities to develop. I think Tkachuk is such a valuable player. he may never be a 100 point guy but hes the definition of a modern day power forward.
-I dont think its out of the stretch for zadina to develop into an 80 point guy
-and once again, IF habs drafted Zadina (or Tkachuk) in 2018, in a vacuum, they could've selected Newhook in 2019 to be that 1C


3 cups, good on ya.
Here’s my thing,
I really like tkachuk but a good(doesn’t have to be top 10) c is way more valuable wouldn’t u agree. And yes everything could have theoretically worked out but let’s say it didn’t. U take tkachuk for example, now ur heading into the 2019 draft picking 15, looking for a 1c. Sure new hook might be one, but what if he’s taken before like he should have and most thought, NOW WHAT?
Jun. 2, 2020 at 1:50 a.m.
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3 cups, good on ya.
Here’s my thing,
I really like tkachuk but a good(doesn’t have to be top 10) c is way more valuable wouldn’t u agree. And yes everything could have theoretically worked out but let’s say it didn’t. U take tkachuk for example, now ur heading into the 2019 draft picking 15, looking for a 1c. Sure new hook might be one, but what if he’s taken before like he should have and most thought, NOW WHAT?


-it all depends how JK and Tkachuk continue to develop. if JK is a 60 point Centre and Tkachuk becomes an 80 point power forward... ill take Tkachuk. But if BT doesn't reach that peak and only hits around 60-70 points then id give the nod to JK.
-its also a long term game. maybe habs wont be able to snag a #1C in 2019, but in 2020 they may be able to land a guy like Rossi
-personally, I think habs should've been geared towards committing to a proper rebuild years ago. like you said its tough finding a 1C at pick 15, but if they sold off some players and properly committed to a tank, they could've had multiple top 10 (or top 5 picks)
Jun. 2, 2020 at 1:55 a.m.
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-it all depends how JK and Tkachuk continue to develop. if JK is a 60 point Centre and Tkachuk becomes an 80 point power forward... ill take Tkachuk. But if BT doesn't reach that peak and only hits around 60-70 points then id give the nod to JK.
-its also a long term game. maybe habs wont be able to snag a #1C in 2019, but in 2020 they may be able to land a guy like Rossi
-personally, I think habs should've been geared towards committing to a proper rebuild years ago. like you said its tough finding a 1C at pick 15, but if they sold off some players and properly committed to a tank, they could've had multiple top 10 (or top 5 picks)


Makes sense,
Bergevin never had the balls to blow it up.
Hopefully kk can reach his potential and be a good 1c. As for drafts, to me when u see a good, talented, young Centre in front of u, you take him. Those guys are hard to find and I wouldn’t take my chances on other drafts
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Jun. 29, 2020 at 5:42 p.m.
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Habs fans are too impulsive. He’ll be fine. They’re just trash him bc they have tok high expectations for him. He wasn’t even playing with good players this year ofc he won’t produce.
 
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