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PHI trade with TOR DAL OTT

Created by: Hammerwise
Team: 2020-21 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: May 22, 2020
Published: Jun. 4, 2020
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Description
Philly strengthens top nine, adds RH vets on defense in Braun and Johns, and doesn't block prospect pipeline now or moving forward.
Toronto and Philly both deal from depth, Myers has higher ceiling than Dermott, Kapanen has higher upside than Laughton, but both Myers, RH dman with upside, and Laughton, solid 2 way and 30+ pts, gritty, physical, are closer to what TOR needs, youth and salaries are a wash.
Philly takes a chance on Johns health, while DAL takes a chance on Ghost rediscovering form. Essentially a #4 RH guy for a #3 LH guy, but the upside in Ghost is balanced by a 2021 draft pick.
OTT takes on solid, dependable, youngish 3rd pairing defender and two solid mid level, with high upside, and further along in their development prospects for two latter round picks.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$975,000
3$905,000
3$905,000
3$905,000
3$2,150,000
2$1,250,000
3$1,650,000
3$1,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,150,000
2$1,250,000
2$3,450,000
Trades
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PHI
  1. Johns, Stephen
  2. 2021 4th round pick (DAL)
3.
PHI
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (DAL)
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (WPG)
Buyouts
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2020
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2021
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22$81,500,000$70,294,132$66,037$582,500$11,205,868
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,137,500$4,137,500
RW, C
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$4,333,333$4,333,333
C
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,571,429$3,571,429
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$8,250,000$8,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
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$863,333$863,333
C
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$975,000$975,000
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$4,725,000$4,725,000
LD
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$730,833$730,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
G
RFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$2,350,000$2,350,000
RD
UFA - 1
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$3,450,000$3,450,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$2,150,000$2,150,000
G
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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LW
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 6:00 a.m.
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Haven't watched many Flyers games, hows Myers defensively?
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 6:06 a.m.
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
Haven't watched many Flyers games, hows Myers defensively?


Hes huge, hes solid both ways, great movement for a big kid, and has very good hands. Many believe hes better than Sanheim, and looks to be a 30-45pt RH dman. Myers either plays 1st or 2nd pairing in TOR immediately.

Philly has Hagg, Provorov, Saheim and Myers all under 25 yrs old with Wylie, Zamula, York, Hogberg, and a ton of other dman prospects. Come expansion, Philly would protect Myers, but quality costs quality, and the idea of gaining youth back in Kapanen and Dermott, when Laughton can be replaced (based on Patrick's health and Frosts development) is probably worth it.

IMO in terms of quality and upside, those four are: Myers, Kapanen, with Dermott and Laughton close) Laughton is only 25 and hits, fights, PK, puts up 30+ pts and can play throughout the lineup, but he and Dermott are replaceable.
Jun. 4, 2020 at 6:12 a.m.
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Love the Toronto deal!
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 6:31 a.m.
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Quoting: Hammerwise
Hes huge, hes solid both ways, great movement for a big kid, and has very good hands. Many believe hes better than Sanheim, and looks to be a 30-45pt RH dman. Myers either plays 1st or 2nd pairing in TOR immediately.

Philly has Hagg, Provorov, Saheim and Myers all under 25 yrs old with Wylie, Zamula, York, Hogberg, and a ton of other dman prospects. Come expansion, Philly would protect Myers, but quality costs quality, and the idea of gaining youth back in Kapanen and Dermott, when Laughton can be replaced (based on Patrick's health and Frosts development) is probably worth it.

IMO in terms of quality and upside, those four are: Myers, Kapanen, with Dermott and Laughton close) Laughton is only 25 and hits, fights, PK, puts up 30+ pts and can play throughout the lineup, but he and Dermott are replaceable.


Sounds like the perfect dman for the Leafs. Dermott is definitely underrated, the worst part of his game is his size unfortunately. Really smart with the puck and a good defender. Wonder if theres a trade to be made for Myers including Dermott where Leafs don't move Kap. Philly seems to have so much depth all around though so if this is the only deal I'd be thrilled
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 6:35 a.m.
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
Sounds like the perfect dman for the Leafs. Dermott is definitely underrated, the worst part of his game is his size unfortunately. Really smart with the puck and a good defender. Wonder if theres a trade to be made for Myers including Dermott where Leafs don't move Kap. Philly seems to have so much depth all around though so if this is the only deal I'd be thrilled


I was trying to match quality for quality without age or salary upsetting either team, I actually think this is fair and works for both teams, although Dermott is not a need for Philly at all, and Hagg is a similar and reliable player for Philly already. Laughton is probably more valuable and a need for TOR than Dermott, whereas as a PHI fan, I don't really think this deal helps Philly as much, but I love Kapanen and his name in Philly is still beloved.

As much as Leaf fans wont want to move Kapanen, the only way Philly does this deal is for him
Jun. 4, 2020 at 6:42 a.m.
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Quoting: Hammerwise
I was trying to match quality for quality without age or salary upsetting either team, I actually think this is fair and works for both teams, although Dermott is not a need for Philly at all, and Hagg is a similar and reliable player for Philly already. Laughton is probably more valuable and a need for TOR than Dermott, whereas as a PHI fan, I don't really think this deal helps Philly as much, but I love Kapanen and his name in Philly is still beloved.


Kapanen is a great player, thats why I'd be sad to see him go. Plays with so much heart, reliable defensively and plays the PK. I know people like to say hes overvalued in trades on here but hes a playoff guy, type of player that makes an impact on a cup winning team. Unfortunately the only way the Leafs are upgrading the right side is moving him
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 7:29 a.m.
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I like what you've done here, although I can't see those prospects heading to OTT bring that much value...

As a DAL fan that Ghost trade seems very interesting though.
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 8:52 a.m.
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Quoting: Terry_AkiSauce
Sounds like the perfect dman for the Leafs. Dermott is definitely underrated, the worst part of his game is his size unfortunately. Really smart with the puck and a good defender. Wonder if theres a trade to be made for Myers including Dermott where Leafs don't move Kap. Philly seems to have so much depth all around though so if this is the only deal I'd be thrilled


Dermott is 6 feet and 200lbs. He's not really small. He just looks small cause he's a baby face. That being said I would love Myers. He is exactly what I want to see with Rielly. He isn't a 45 point defenceman though, I think he'll be a responsible and physical 30 point defender. Which is awesome
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 8:56 a.m.
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I like what you've done here, although I can't see those prospects heading to OTT bring that much value...

As a DAL fan that Ghost trade seems very interesting though.


Ive always like Johns, but hes a UFA and a gamble. Ghost is just 2 years removed from 2 pretty amazing seasons, but Johns is probably more of what both teams need than the higher ceiling Ghost.

As far as OTT, after three NHL seasons and just 26 yrs old, Hagg has proven to be a solid 3rd pairing dman on a good team, is inexpensive and probably worth almost that 2nd rounder, Sandstrom has a big chance to be a home run and is worth the late 3rd, and laberge makes up the difference. Its also a matter of drafting too many guys at once that you cant possibly develop at the same time, OTT will have what 8 other picks in the first 3 rounds?
OTT gets a few prospects, one of which could be a home run who are further in their development than those picks and a solid dman whos young, solid and cheap.
Jun. 4, 2020 at 9:17 a.m.
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Intrigued by the Dallas trade. Might mean additional moves on our side, shifts the dynamic a bit as well, but think I'd do it.
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Ive always like Johns, but hes a UFA and a gamble. Ghost is just 2 years removed from 2 pretty amazing seasons, but Johns is probably more of what both teams need than the higher ceiling Ghost.

As far as OTT, after three NHL seasons and just 26 yrs old, Hagg has proven to be a solid 3rd pairing dman on a good team, is inexpensive and probably worth almost that 2nd rounder, Sandstrom has a big chance to be a home run and is worth the late 3rd, and laberge makes up the difference. Its also a matter of drafting too many guys at once that you cant possibly develop at the same time, OTT will have what 8 other picks in the first 3 rounds?
OTT gets a few prospects, one of which could be a home run who are further in their development than those picks and a solid dman whos young, solid and cheap.


Problem is that they already have surplus of all those positions which the prospects play for. They're loaded with LHDs close to as good as Hägg, they also have so many C prospects Laberge just is unnecessary, and they have 3 potential future goalies in Högberg, Gustafsson and Daccord. All players offered here are just not needed by them in any manner.

Value might be close (I'd personally settle for 3rd and 4th), but needs doesn't meet.
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 9:36 a.m.
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Problem is that they already have surplus of all those positions which the prospects play for. They're loaded with LHDs close to as good as Hägg, they also have so many C prospects Laberge just is unnecessary, and they have 3 potential future goalies in Högberg, Gustafsson and Daccord. All players offered here are just not needed by them in any manner.

Value might be close (I'd personally settle for 3rd and 4th), but needs doesn't meet.


Yeah, I agree with that. Philly has too many mid level, and maybe home runs, so I was just dealing depth for futures. I am a firm believer in an organization only being able to bring along some much youth and prospects at the same time, and that you lose too many promising guys because there isn't the chance/playing time/coaching to develop too many guys at once.

For example, Philly has Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg along with injury riddled Morin under 26 yrs old, and a 27 yr old Gostisbehere, which regardless of expansion leaves little space for Zamula, Wylie Wyatt, Cam York, Hogberg etc.... and leaves the defense way too inexperienced and young. Philly added Farabee this year, but didn't have space/time for Ratcliffe, Frost, Strome. Same goes for goalie, Sandstrom, Usti and Hart all arrived at the same time in net, and the organization can not/will not develop too much youth at the same time, so some promising guys just get lost, drop away only due to playing time and opportunity. Its also a 50 contract league, so adding say 9 top 3 round picks in a single year, means a massive contract clear out.

I agree maybe the value or pieces aren't quite right in that though, but with that much draft capitol I think OTT moves some of those picks for guys further along in their development or solid vets to bolt the kids to, without taking on big contracts or scoring huge prospects, but alas, there are better options out there.
Jun. 4, 2020 at 9:50 a.m.
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Sens don't have any need for this trade at all, and it's not even close.

Hagg is a fine 3LD, but Sens are almost certainly re-signing Mark Borowiecki, and signing Borowiecki makes trading for Hagg totally pointless.

Sandstrom does not fit anywhere in Ottawa's system. Sens have two goalies already in the AHL, and one more already in the ECHL. they just don't have space for such a mediocre goalie prospect.

Laberge is basically a throw in. Doesn't really bring any value in the trade, and doesn't bring much value to Ottawa.
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 9:55 a.m.
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Not enough marginal return of trading Laughton for Kapanen to trade Myers for Dermott. Would rather see Nick Aube-Kubel in the lineup over Kapanen if it meant we lost Myers.

edit: would rather see Nick Aube-Kubel in the lineup in general. Kid is pretty solid on the third/fourth line.
Jun. 4, 2020 at 9:58 a.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
I like what you've done here, although I can't see those prospects heading to OTT bring that much value...

As a DAL fan that Ghost trade seems very interesting though.


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Intrigued by the Dallas trade. Might mean additional moves on our side, shifts the dynamic a bit as well, but think I'd do it.


Tbh I think they have to do that trade. Too good to pass on
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Jun. 4, 2020 at 11:36 a.m.
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Value wise I'm not entire upset up with the TOR trade. I like Kapanen, however based on what's going out and what's coming in for Philly, just doesn't seem like a necessary trade in my opinion. Rather just keep Myers and if they really need a 3RW, probably could find one without giving up Myers.
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