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Team: 2020-21 Columbus Blue Jackets
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 5, 2020
Published: Jun. 5, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$7,000,000
2$1,850,000
2$850,000
2$950,000
1$900,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Grigorenko Ice hockey forward, Search Results Web results Mikhail Grigorenko
1$1,200,000
Trades
1.
CBJ
  1. Tuch, Alex
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (VGK)
VGK
  1. Anderson, Josh [RFA Rights]
  2. Murray, Ryan ($2,300,000 retained)
  3. 2021 4th round pick (CBJ)
2.
CBJ
  1. 2021 5th round pick (NSH)
3.
4.
CBJ
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (DAL)
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (DAL)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$81,500,000$73,941,667$0$1,225,000$7,558,333
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
C
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$375,000$375K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
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$897,500$897,500
LW, C, RW
RFA - 1
Grigorenko Ice hockey forward, Search Results Web results Mikhail Grigorenko
$1,200,000$1,200,000
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
LW, C, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$1,850,000$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$2,700,000$2,700,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$2,800,000$2,800,000
G
UFA - 2
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$3,875,000$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,850,000$5,850,000
C, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2

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Jun. 5, 2020 at 3:48 a.m.
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Brad Boyes please Wq
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Not wrong
Jun. 5, 2020 at 4:31 a.m.
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Grigorenko Ice hockey forward, Search Results Web results Mikhail Grigorenko is such a great player, will be elite in a few years
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Jun. 5, 2020 at 6:18 a.m.
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Congrats. You have the CapFriendly record of having the player with the longest first name. " Ice hockey forward, Search Results Web results Mikhail"
Jun. 5, 2020 at 9:21 a.m.
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Congrats. You have the CapFriendly record of having the player with the longest first name. " Ice hockey forward, Search Results Web results Mikhail"


and the longest last name "Grigorenko ice hockey forward"
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Jun. 5, 2020 at 12:39 p.m.
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Given the choice between accepting that trade for Savard and picking up Colin Miller for Wennberg to make up the difference, or just buying out Wennberg and keeping Savard, I'll take the latter option 10 times out of 10.

Tuch doesn't really help much as we're already overstrength at RW; having to retain on Murray to make it happen makes that unpalatable.

I have no objection to the Harrington trade, tho.
Jun. 5, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.
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So in what world is a 20 pt $4,000,000 defenseman an even trade for a 20 pt $5,000,000 center?
Jun. 5, 2020 at 5:17 p.m.
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So in what world is a 20 pt $4,000,000 defenseman an even trade for a 20 pt $5,000,000 center?

I find it curious how you manage to use "20" to represent both the number 11 and the number 22 simultaneously. That's an interesting trick.
Jun. 5, 2020 at 5:53 p.m.
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Given the choice between accepting that trade for Savard and picking up Colin Miller for Wennberg to make up the difference, or just buying out Wennberg and keeping Savard, I'll take the latter option 10 times out of 10.

Tuch doesn't really help much as we're already overstrength at RW; having to retain on Murray to make it happen makes that unpalatable.

I have no objection to the Harrington trade, tho.


so you'd rather just savard than miller, a 2nd and a 3rd? Your route is fine if they extend Savard... but if they don't I'd rather the 2nd and 3rd and replacement defenseman over just a buyout
Jun. 5, 2020 at 6:30 p.m.
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I find it curious how you manage to use "20" to represent both the number 11 and the number 22 simultaneously. That's an interesting trick.


Two year average.
Jun. 5, 2020 at 7:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Wqrrior
so you'd rather just savard than miller, a 2nd and a 3rd? Your route is fine if they extend Savard... but if they don't I'd rather the 2nd and 3rd and replacement defenseman over just a buyout

Savard is paid fairly; Miller is overpaid. Savard is one of our defensive stalwarts; Miller is an "offensive defenseman" who can't measure up in scoring to our stay-at-home guys. I don't see those picks making up the difference.

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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
Two year average.

Or, in other words, you badly wanted to use last year's near-career year by Miller versus last year's "worse year ever in his career" for Wennberg, but couldn't do it since it's a year old and so tried to work it in somehow so you could optimally minmax. Gotcha.

Let's be fair and include both player's career bests and career worsts. That's a four-year average. That puts Miller at 11+29+41+13=94 points over 51+65+82+61=259 games, and Wennberg at 22+25+35+59=141 points over 57+75+66+80=278 games. 0.36PPG versus 0.51PPG. Which is actually pretty close to their NHL career-long averages (some links for you: http://sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/9220/stats for Miller and http://sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/10389/stats for Wennberg).

Does that make it a good deal for Buffalo? I dunno. But it's not the open-and-shut "one is obviously overwhelmingly superior" case you're trying to make it out to be.
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Jun. 6, 2020 at 10:20 a.m.
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Savard is paid fairly; Miller is overpaid. Savard is one of our defensive stalwarts; Miller is an "offensive defenseman" who can't measure up in scoring to our stay-at-home guys. I don't see those picks making up the difference.

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Or, in other words, you badly wanted to use last year's near-career year by Miller versus last year's "worse year ever in his career" for Wennberg, but couldn't do it since it's a year old and so tried to work it in somehow so you could optimally minmax. Gotcha.

Let's be fair and include both player's career bests and career worsts. That's a four-year average. That puts Miller at 11+29+41+13=94 points over 51+65+82+61=259 games, and Wennberg at 22+25+35+59=141 points over 57+75+66+80=278 games. 0.36PPG versus 0.51PPG. Which is actually pretty close to their NHL career-long averages (some links for you: http://sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/9220/stats for Miller and http://sportsforecaster.com/nhl/player/10389/stats for Wennberg).

Does that make it a good deal for Buffalo? I dunno. But it's not the open-and-shut "one is obviously overwhelmingly superior" case you're trying to make it out to be.


I always like to add links to my search, thanks for the help.
Yes, I do not like the trade at all.
Johansson could play 3rd line center and do a better job than Wennberg and would not cost the Sabres anything.
Miller is a solid defenseman, and IMO is worth more than what would be a third line center for Buffalo.
If I trade Miller it will be to a team in need of a top 4 RHD defenseman who can run the PP, but has a surplus of Right handed forwards who may want to cut cap and will take Miller and more to close the deal.
I guess I should have stuck to these facts when objecting to the trade. But I also feel adding $1,000,000 to the cap the player should be noticeably better than Miller.
Wennberg is Left handed, third liner and does not fill a need for Buffalo.

So many Buffalo fans are so disappointed with missing the preliminaries that they want to trash the entire team.
The teams defense is very solid. Only 8 teams gave up fewer 5 on 5 goals and the Sabres have one of the worse GK tandems and top 6 forwards in the league.
Miller at 27 is the oldest of the group and is young enough that his best years are ahead of him and he is on a good contract for the next 2 years.
Personally, I like having 7 solid NHL defensemen, but I would trade any of them except Dahlin for a top 6 forward even if I need to add.
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