Ya but Mitch Marner is better for the Leafs than Kessel ever was. Not even close to his value. Rust, Jarry, Marino, 1st is better value

Marner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kessel

"Currently, the Leafs have a winger in a similar situation, Mitch Marner. I'm not saying both teams should or will pull of a trade like that again, but just an idea."

If Marner was in the same situation as Kessel you have a valid point. Fact it despite his PP prowess, Kessel had morphed into a poor player with the Leafs. Don't know how you can really think Marner has sunk to the level of play that Kessel had done with the Leafs.

That equivalent would only work if Marner was equal to Kessel.

Problem is, he's miles and miles above him in level. Better than Kessel ever was, actually.

well, ignoring that Marner is a better player, the "issues" with them are in no was similar and the Leafs arnt at the start of a rebuild. so there isnt anything good about this trade for toront
the value or logic isnt there.

Wow, of course we’ll take on Johnson. Since we’re probably going to buyout Alzner, we have to replace him with another overpaid AHL 3rd pairing defenseman. Absolutely.

Not even getting any assets back with him. lmao

Marino is not getting traded

That would be too much. Theoretically, Marner doesn’t have a tremendous amount of value cuz of his contract & reputation. I think Kessel was a slightly better player than Marner in his prime cuz he was able to score 40 goals & 80 points on a much less prolific offensive team.

I agree that Marner is a better player than Kessel right now, but I don’t see the argument for him if you’re comparing to Kessel’s prime. Marner may be the better defensive Forward & possession driver but Kessel was able to put up 40 goals & 80 points with Bozak as his center. Perhaps Marner can have a bit more value but he wasn’t better than Phil.

Kessel’s all round game has never been great but his production with the Leafs was always off the charts. Even in his last season before the trade he put up 25 goals & 61 points playing mostly with Bozak as his center. That’s pretty good.

I was told the Pens don’t need to add cuz every off-season, there are teams in need of defensemen.

Teams want GOOD defensemen, not an overpaid 7th defensemen

He is and he was.

Also he was traded at 27, about turning 28 years old.

Marner's 23. Which makes him even more valuable.

Well, I considered the age difference, that's why I said Marner can have more value.

1- Kessel never put up 40 goals with the Leafs, he put up 37 and 80 points in his 2nd last year with them, sure. but not 40 goals
2-Kessel had just had a season of 26 goals and 61 points in 82 games before he was traded, he was 27
3-Marner's best year as a leaf (so far) was 26 goals and 94 points in a full season a whole 5 years younger was during his best season
4-Marner just put up 16 goals and 61 points and 67 points in 59 games at the age of 23

So, at the time of their 'trades' Marner has had not only a better recent season, but a significantly better most recent season and he's significantly younger which increases his value.
Marner is not only more valuable, he's better

Yes but you're not taking into consideration the linemate factor. Kessel was sharing the ice with Bozak and Lupul whereas Marner was playing with JT or Matthews. Quite a difference.

You are only taking the lnemate factor into consideration. Aging curves, raw scoring numbers and advanced stats all show marner as better

Maybe he is better, but you also have to take into consideration of Marner's cap hit. He's on one of the worst contracts in the league. Surely that lowers his value, don't it?

Good god, no he isn't one of the worst contracts in the league. Not even close. I get this is your shtick but holy crap that is some bad analysis.
And to answer the 2nd part, no, not really

Whatever you say man. I understand you might not like the trade but I’m just telling ya, Kessel peak & Marner are at a similar level.

So kessel at peak, and marner not at peak yet are at a similar level, and? You do realize that means marner is more valuable because any team trading for him has the entire peak of his career and not the tail end of it, right?

This might be the first time I’ve ever seen someone describe Marner as a locker room cancer

Marner isn’t at his peak...

Kessel got so many of his points on the PP. Believe he was minus 25. IMO he was often worse player on his line.