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Trade With Pens Based On 2015 Kessel Blockbuster

Created by: AnalyticsGeek
Initial Creation Date: Jun 7, 2020
Published: Jun 7, 2020 at 5:02
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
I just want to show the possibilities for Toronto on this trade idea.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya2$1,850,000
Dermott, Travis1$894,166
Simon, Dominik2$1,850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$800,000
DeMelo, Dylan6$4,500,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Day, Sean1$900,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Simon, Dominik [RFA Rights]
  2. Riikola, Juuso [RFA Rights]
  3. Légaré, Nathan
  4. 2021 1st round pick (PIT)
  5. 2022 3rd round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Marner, Mitchell ($1,633,950 retained)
  2. Gauthier, Frédérik [RFA Rights]
  3. Rosén, Calle
  4. 2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Mitchell Marner: $1,633,950 (14.99%)
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
PIT
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
PIT
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$80,000,000$79,455,732$0$0$544,268
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
Simon, Dominik
$1,850,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
DeMelo, Dylan
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$894,166
LD/RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1

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Jun 7, 2020 at 5:04
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GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Ugh..
Jun 7, 2020 at 5:04
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The reason why Toronto got that return for Kessel was because Kessel would only go to teams with no cap space meaning the Leafs were at a severe disadvantage in negotiating. I doubt the Leafs trade Marner and if they do it'll probably be for less than that
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Jun 7, 2020 at 5:06
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StarWars addict here
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Remove the 2nd rounder and replace Legaré with Poulin at least
Jun 7, 2020 at 5:09
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Remove the 2nd rounder and replace Legaré with Poulin at least


honestly if leafs were to trade marner send him to a team who 1. has cap space to take that whole contract with no retention and 2. is going through a rebuild. NJ is perfect as they got picks, prospects, and depth players toronto can use, they can take his entire contract and still have room, plus he should help Hughes settle in better.
Jun 7, 2020 at 5:09
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Jun 7, 2020 at 5:12
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You need a new bit
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Jun 7, 2020 at 5:13
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Quoting: Jesus
The reason why Toronto got that return for Kessel was because Kessel would only go to teams with no cap space meaning the Leafs were at a severe disadvantage in negotiating. I doubt the Leafs trade Marner and if they do it'll probably be for less than that


If leafs move marner they can go to a team with cap space and is rebuilding. LAK, NJ, have the resources to make a very good trade for him. I could see NJ trading for him as he would speed up that rebuild by 3 years. Overall not saying they should trade him but if they do they got better options than they did with kesse.
Jun 7, 2020 at 5:15
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Leafs counter offer with Marner for Zucker(retained 50%), Rust(retained 50%), Jarry, Marino and a first.
Jun 7, 2020 at 5:18
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Quoting: keep_ups12
Leafs counter offer with Marner for Zucker(retained 50%), Rust(retained 50%), Jarry, Marino and a first.


lol get out of here
Jun 7, 2020 at 5:20
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Quoting: mhockey91
lol get out of here


This trade is horrible so I tried to make an equally bad trade to show him how we feel.
Jun 7, 2020 at 5:21
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replace Légaré with Poulin and yeah that would be an equivalent trade. The issue with this trade though, is that Kessel was 27 when traded and Marner is only 23. While prime Kessel was a better player than current day Marner, the age difference makes marner more valuable. Also, the leafs were in a completely different position when they traded Kessel. They were rebuilders. If leafs WERE to trade Marner they'd need guys who can help now, not futures.
Jun 7, 2020 at 5:28
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Step away from the internet and do not return.
Jun 7, 2020 at 5:34
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LEAFSandBRUINSfan
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Waste of time posting this
Jun 7, 2020 at 6:43
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
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Really nothing else needs to be said.
Jun 7, 2020 at 6:55
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Buddy you should probably just stop
Jun 8, 2020 at 12:39
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Quoting: Jesus
The reason why Toronto got that return for Kessel was because Kessel would only go to teams with no cap space meaning the Leafs were at a severe disadvantage in negotiating. I doubt the Leafs trade Marner and if they do it'll probably be for less than that


You’re were about the NMC. But Marner’s contract is so bad that’s why I felt his value should be similar to Phil’s.
Jun 8, 2020 at 12:40
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Quoting: mhockey91
replace Légaré with Poulin and yeah that would be an equivalent trade. The issue with this trade though, is that Kessel was 27 when traded and Marner is only 23. While prime Kessel was a better player than current day Marner, the age difference makes marner more valuable. Also, the leafs were in a completely different position when they traded Kessel. They were rebuilders. If leafs WERE to trade Marner they'd need guys who can help now, not futures.


Yes you are right. However, I’ve seen a lot of people suggest that the Leafs need a retool, so if that is the case, I feel moving Marner for younger pieces would help since they clear out 9 Million in cap space to get a good defenseman.
Jun 8, 2020 at 12:44
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Yes you are right. However, I’ve seen a lot of people suggest that the Leafs need a retool, so if that is the case, I feel moving Marner for younger pieces would help since they clear out 9 Million in cap space to get a good defenseman.


In any marner trade, Marino would have to be involved. Leafs would need a young RHD as a piece in any marner trade
Jun 8, 2020 at 12:50
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Quoting: mhockey91
In any marner trade, Marino would have to be involved. Leafs would need a young RHD as a piece in any marner trade


Well, Marino is untouchable from the Pens perspective since he is the future RD when Letang retires. The Leafs can use the assets they got in this trade to get a quality RD, or sign one in FA like Pietrangelo. I’ve seen people suggest on Twitter & Reddit that the Leafs should cap dump Marner & Sign Alex or Dougie Hamilton next offfseason.
Jun 8, 2020 at 12:54
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
Well, Marino is untouchable from the Pens perspective since he is the future RD when Letang retires. The Leafs can use the assets they got in this trade to get a quality RD, or sign one in FA like Pietrangelo. I’ve seen people suggest on Twitter & Reddit that the Leafs should cap dump Marner & Sign Alex or Dougie Hamilton next offfseason.


Marner is definitely not a cap dump. Marino would be needed in a marner trade. Simple as that
Jun 8, 2020 at 2:14
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Quoting: mhockey91
Marner is definitely not a cap dump. Marino would be needed in a marner trade. Simple as that


I can see Toronto wanting a young RHD like Marino in a Marner trade but I can't see it happening cuz no team wants to give up a young top 4 defenceman on ECL or excellent contract for a 10 million dollar player.
Jun 8, 2020 at 4:07
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Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
I can see Toronto wanting a young RHD like Marino in a Marner trade but I can't see it happening cuz no team wants to give up a young top 4 defenceman on ECL or excellent contract for a 10 million dollar player.


It’s not like marner will be traded either
 
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