You're trying to swap an unneeded 3rd pair D for a pretty good 2nd pair D.

Needless to say, TOR adds.

Maybe Dermott+Korshkov+3rd for Walker?

no one adds anything. it's even. you could make an argument that Kings add because of age. But aside from age, it's even.

As is, it seems like a pretty even trade to me. Personally, though, I'd rather just keep Dermott because he's more defensive and capable of playing the right.

That will not be the framework because the Kings aren't going to trade a RHD for a LHD. Change Dermott to Kapanen, then you can begin the "who adds" discussion.

In isolation, sound reasonable arguments can be made for nobody, the Kings, or the Maple Leafs. The difference isn't large.

However, in context the Kings aren't doing this because Roy is one of only 3 NHL-qualified RDs they have, and Dermott is one of four or five NHL-ready LDs Toronto has.

Um its walker there trading not roy, Kings can always replace Walker as Durzi could get a crack at the main roster or they grab someone till he is ready. In truth Walker for Dermott would be okay but it could come back to bite us. Dermott has very good stats right now comparable to many top Dman when they were his age. So trading him could be risky.

This is a just broken record now. Maybe in a year or two not this year.

My comment applies equally to Walker as it does to Roy.

Oh please. Derms would be 2nd pairing on most teams, just that toronto's left defence is stacked. This trade is fair. He'd be top pairing on the kings.

so 3rd Pairing guy on a team who has weak depth at defense = 2nd Pairing Guy who is on a decently depth defense core??? Walker has to get more credit than you are giving him, or you are just way overestimating Dermott's potential.

No, he wouldn't. Also Walker's numbers are better and he plays for much worse team. He's clearly more valuable.

BAHAHAHAHA!!! LA has good defensive depth? N O W A Y. Toronto's is better I think.

Yeah no... Kapanen is worth more than both Dermott and Walker.

Well, maybe we add a bit, but not much. Vegas' 4th maybe. LA has great right d, but one of the worst left d in the league. Likewise, Toronto has a great left d, but one of the worst right d in the league. Makes sense to be that they make this trade. Dermott and Walker both become top pairing defence man.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. For some reason, while trading with the leafs, all of a sudden, Right defence man are worth more. King have a great right d, far better than the leafs, but their left d is absolute garbage. Are you telling me Hutton, their current "top pairing" defence man is better than Dermott that they wouldn't think about this trade? Then you say that Walker is worth Kapanen? No way. Dermott plus a 4th for Walker is fair.

Good RHDs are far more scarce than good LHDs. If LA needs it, they could easily just keep Walker and sign a Dermott equivalent as UFA.

Walker's not going past Doughty in LA depth chart. But he's a good 2nd pair D for them.

Dermott+4th for Walker is all but fair.

Not really. Are you telling me Washington, St Louis, Montreal, LA, Buffalo, Vegas, Dallas, Edmonton, Pittsburg, Colorado, etc, have better left defence than right? Really? The handedness is equal. It would be just as easy to sign a right d as a left. Walker is a good second pairing d for the Kings. But what about Roy? They have a logjam. Someone needs to switch sides or be traded. So I'd say Dermott+4th for Walker is fair. I you want, The leafs can through in The best player in the league, Jeremy Bracco.

I find it ironic how you guys use Bracco as a throw in for almost every deal. It's like Leafs fans have finally realized he doesn't exactly have value.

And actually of those teams VGK, DAL, EDM and PIT have better left defense than right.

My point is that LHDs are just more common than RHDs. For example, this year NHL have seen 133 LH D-men that have played 20 games or more, but only 99 RH D-men that have played for 20 games or more.

Really? Didn't realize that. But in terms of left d's and right d's, they have to be the same.

Some teams just have to use LHD as RDs, because by clear maths there are not enough NHL level RHDs for each team. VGK is a good example of this.

I'm not implying that RHD are worth more than LHD. However, the Kings currently are set at RHD. If they trade one of their RHD for a LHD, they now have a hole at RHD and, as I'm sure Toronto fans are very aware, RHD holes are much harder to fill. They're not going to make a trade that opens up a new gap in the lineup just so they can get Dermott and a 4th? (edit: I just noticed that you don't even include a 4th...so the Kings literally have no incentive to downgrade from Walker to Dermott)

The Kings are quite content with their LHD future with Bjornfot, Anderson, and one of Clague/Hults. The only problem is that right now, they are all very young. Blake has said that he's looking to bring in an experienced veteran to fix that while Bjornfot (just turned 19) gets more time in the AHL. Dermott (age 23) does not solve the problem the Kings are looking to solve. I'd much rather them trade for a player like Leddy or Hjalmarsson, who could be acquired without having to give up Walker or Roy. The Kings can easily afford their cap hit (they're currently sitting on $16M in cap space), and the term is perfect to let Bjornfot develop in the AHL. I expect Bjornfot will be the next Kings player to wear the "C" after Kopitar retires.

Didn't imply that he wasn't. However, in order for the Kings to trade Roy or Walker, Kapanen has to be coming back. If he's not, the Kings are more than happy to keep Walker and Roy.

I think both Roy and Walker are easily capable of top 4.

Who said they weren't?

You kind of suggested it. You said the Kings shouldn't trade any right d's, which means one has to play left side or 3rd pairing.