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Quoting: mhockey91

I can think probably think of 20 D who are better than McAvoy atm. I can’t think of 20 Centres who are better than Eichal. Not a knock on McAvoy. He’s only 22 years old and he’ll probably get there. I’m just saying Eichal already is at that elite level. And a centre is more valuable

You can think whatever you want. You would be wrong, but feel free. He’s the number one d for the best team in the NHL. That’s that.

(Number one d are jsut ridiculously more valuable than centers)

Jun. 11, 2020 at 2:38 p.m.

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Quoting: Jfstompers

Krejci is too old to build around but hes hardly a cap dump. Hes more like that last piece of the puzzle vet a team might need.

I agree 100%, but not very often a team can afford the "missing puzzle" for 7.25M

Jun. 11, 2020 at 3:36 p.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

You can think whatever you want. You would be wrong, but feel free. He’s the number one d for the best team in the NHL. That’s that.

(Number one d are jsut ridiculously more valuable than centers)

Like I said; he’s probably around the 20 ish mark for D. That’s not a knock, he’s only 22 and getting better. But you’re just overrating your own players if you seriously think he’s a top 10 D in the league atm. And #1D are most certainly not more valuable than a 1C. Centre is the best position in hockey to build around.

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 6:25 p.m.

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LOL. Bruins reject the Buffalo deal. HAHAHAHA

They do.
Mcavoy is a top 5 RHD, so like maybe McAvoy and a 1st works, but not much more
But that? Lol yeah bruins reject

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 6:35 p.m.

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Quoting: CatmanV

They do.
Mcavoy is a top 5 RHD, so like maybe McAvoy and a 1st works, but not much more
But that? Lol yeah bruins reject

I can think of more than better RHD using just 3 teams...

NYR: DeAngelo, Fox

St. Louis: Pietrangelo, Parayko

SJS: Burns, Karlsson

CBJ: Jones

Avs: Makar

Florida: Ekblad

Pittsburgh: Letang

Nashville: Ellis

Montreal: Weber

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 6:46 p.m.

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Quoting: mhockey91

Like I said; he’s probably around the 20 ish mark for D. That’s not a knock, he’s only 22 and getting better. But you’re just overrating your own players if you seriously think he’s a top 10 D in the league atm. And #1D are most certainly not more valuable than a 1C. Centre is the best position in hockey to build around.

Seth Jones was traded for Ryan Johansen. Eichel is obviously better than Johansen but at that time a lot of people thought Nashville got the better of the trade because he plays center. Just saying.

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 6:49 p.m.

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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan

I can think of more than better RHD using just 3 teams...

NYR: DeAngelo, Fox

St. Louis: Pietrangelo, Parayko

SJS: Burns, Karlsson

CBJ: Jones

Avs: Makar

Florida: Ekblad

Pittsburgh: Letang

Nashville: Ellis

Montreal: Weber

I think Makar, Letang, Weber, Jones, Pietrangelo and depending on what Karlsson/Burns you're getting... them too.

McAvoy is in that tier below with guys like Ellis, Fox, Payako, etc... Again, hes an excellent D at 22 years, but bruins fans are already overrating him

Jun. 11, 2020 at 6:50 p.m.

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Quoting: kscoop

Seth Jones was traded for Ryan Johansen. Eichel is obviously better than Johansen but at that time a lot of people thought Nashville got the better of the trade because he plays center. Just saying.

exactly. An elite centre is worth more than an elite D

Jun. 11, 2020 at 7:17 p.m.

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Quoting: mhockey91

I think Makar, Letang, Weber, Jones, Pietrangelo and depending on what Karlsson/Burns you're getting... them too.

McAvoy is in that tier below with guys like Ellis, Fox, Payako, etc... Again, hes an excellent D at 22 years, but bruins fans are already overrating him

True. I think you could put Fox in that higher tier if he performs like he did this season. Then again I can see why you're being conservative because he's only played 1 year.

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 9:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan

I can think of more than better RHD using just 3 teams...

NYR: DeAngelo, Fox

St. Louis: Pietrangelo, Parayko

SJS: Burns, Karlsson

CBJ: Jones

Avs: Makar

Florida: Ekblad

Pittsburgh: Letang

Nashville: Ellis

Montreal: Weber

Quoting: mhockey91

I think Makar, Letang, Weber, Jones, Pietrangelo and depending on what Karlsson/Burns you're getting... them too.

McAvoy is in that tier below with guys like Ellis, Fox, Payako, etc... Again, hes an excellent D at 22 years, but bruins fans are already overrating him

Wow first off bad list. Ellis, letang, and parayko are simply worse, Weber is worse, and a bunch of the others are worse
Secondly, I’m not a bruins fan. So bad look for you two.
Thirdly: look at all of the “top 5 from each position” from like 3 weeks ago, it’s a bunch of NONbruins fans saying mcavoy is in the top 5

Come on guys, don’t underestimate the guy just cuz he’s on the bruins. That’s the biggest issue in hockey is people’s inherent hate for the bruins or the sabres or whatever lol

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 9:49 p.m.

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Quoting: CatmanV

Wow first off bad list. Ellis, letang, and parayko are simply worse, Weber is worse, and a bunch of the others are worse
Secondly, I’m not a bruins fan. So bad look for you two.
Thirdly: look at all of the “top 5 from each position” from like 3 weeks ago, it’s a bunch of NONbruins fans saying mcavoy is in the top 5

Come on guys, don’t underestimate the guy just cuz he’s on the bruins. That’s the biggest issue in hockey is people’s inherent hate for the bruins or the sabres or whatever lol

No way. Letang, and Weber are consistently in Norris contention when healthy. They’re both clear cut better atm. It will eventually change but not yet. Maybe Parayko Ellis, etc you can debate, but not Letang Weber, Jones, petro, etc

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 10:07 p.m.

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Quoting: CatmanV

Wow first off bad list. Ellis, letang, and parayko are simply worse, Weber is worse, and a bunch of the others are worse
Secondly, I’m not a bruins fan. So bad look for you two.
Thirdly: look at all of the “top 5 from each position” from like 3 weeks ago, it’s a bunch of NONbruins fans saying mcavoy is in the top 5

Come on guys, don’t underestimate the guy just cuz he’s on the bruins. That’s the biggest issue in hockey is people’s inherent hate for the bruins or the sabres or whatever lol

The fact you think he's clear cut better than Letang... really? If you think that I've not nothing to say to you.

Quoting: mhockey91

No way. Letang, and Weber are consistently in Norris contention when healthy. They’re both clear cut better atm. It will eventually change but not yet. Maybe Parayko Ellis, etc you can debate, but not Letang Weber, Jones, petro, etc

It doesn't matter Eichel has way more value than any of these players anyway. Even better players like Jones wouldn't be able to fetch Eichel.

There's no convincing these type of people.

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 10:19 p.m.

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Quoting: mhockey91

No way. Letang, and Weber are consistently in Norris contention when healthy. They’re both clear cut better atm. It will eventually change but not yet. Maybe Parayko Ellis, etc you can debate, but not Letang Weber, Jones, petro, etc

Yeah he has been, but this year Mcavoy was a beaut, and was considered a top 5 RHD like the guy said. (i saw those posts too, as a bruins fan i thought it was crazy, but then people convinced me it wasnt, apparently he is a top 5 RHD lol)
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan

The fact you think he's clear cut better than Letang... really? If you think that I've not nothing to say to you.

It doesn't matter Eichel has way more value than any of these players anyway. Even better players like Jones wouldn't be able to fetch Eichel.

There's no convincing these type of people.

What kind of people? You are the one that seems to argue with most people on here lol. @CatmanV has been nothing but kind to everyone on here, and has clearly been someone who does his research lol

Jun. 11, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.

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Quoting: Silkysmooth42

Yeah he has been, but this year Mcavoy was a beaut, and was considered a top 5 RHD like the guy said. (i saw those posts too, as a bruins fan i thought it was crazy, but then people convinced me it wasnt, apparently he is a top 5 RHD lol)
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What kind of people? You are the one that seems to argue with most people on here lol. @CatmanV has been nothing but kind to everyone on here, and has clearly been someone who does his research lol

I think McAvoy is very good but hes not a top 5 RHD just yet. Again, its not a knock on him considering hes only 22 and trending in that direction, but as I stated, entering the 2020 playoffs, there are certainly 5 more RHD id take over him

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 10:36 p.m.

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Quoting: Silkysmooth42

Yeah he has been, but this year Mcavoy was a beaut, and was considered a top 5 RHD like the guy said. (i saw those posts too, as a bruins fan i thought it was crazy, but then people convinced me it wasnt, apparently he is a top 5 RHD lol)
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What kind of people? You are the one that seems to argue with most people on here lol. @CatmanV has been nothing but kind to everyone on here, and has clearly been someone who does his research lol

John Moore is worth a 2nd. Wouldn't be too hard to convince you of that I'm sure. It's easy to convince people of things they want to hear.

Quoting: mhockey91

I think McAvoy is very good but hes not a top 5 RHD just yet. Again, its not a knock on him considering hes only 22 and trending in that direction, but as I stated, entering the 2020 playoffs, there are certainly 5 more RHD id take over him

Correct. He's a great young piece. But he's only worth half what Eichel is.

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 11:35 p.m.

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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan

John Moore is worth a 2nd. Wouldn't be too hard to convince you of that I'm sure. It's easy to convince people of things they want to hear.

Correct. He's a great young piece. But he's only worth half what Eichel is.

What? Moore isnt worth a 2nd lol. I have expressed numerous times that Moore is worth a 6ht or 7th. (but we all know he isnt a cap dump lol some people are just morons)
Its fairly clear im not biased if thats what you are trying to infer, and @CatmanV who i know isnt a bruins fan agrees.

Quoting: mhockey91

I think McAvoy is very good but hes not a top 5 RHD just yet. Again, its not a knock on him considering hes only 22 and trending in that direction, but as I stated, entering the 2020 playoffs, there are certainly 5 more RHD id take over him

Yes, ok sure maybe mcavoy isnt top 5, again like I SAID, I personally DIDNT think he was until a bunch of non-bruins fans started telling me he was lol

In saying that. He will be very soon, and a package with him for eichel wouldnt contain many more pieces.

Eichel is a beast, but centers are much more plentiful than RHD (which is probably why he was top 5 for a lot of those guys when there were some LHD that missed the list but were better)

Again, my offer (and the only one that the bruins would even CONSIDER accepting with Mcavoy in it) would be Eichel for Mcavoy, a 1st, and like Kuhlman tops...

MORE LIKELY THOUGH: a team that isnt a contender would give up a few giant pieces to build a team around eichel.
But the bruins, lightning, blues, etc... they arent giving up elite pieces now for eichel, its not worth it

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 11:45 p.m.

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Quoting: Silkysmooth42

What? Moore isnt worth a 2nd lol. I have expressed numerous times that Moore is worth a 6ht or 7th. (but we all know he isnt a cap dump lol some people are just morons)
Its fairly clear im not biased if thats what you are trying to infer, and @CatmanV who i know isnt a bruins fan agrees.

Yes, ok sure maybe mcavoy isnt top 5, again like I SAID, I personally DIDNT think he was until a bunch of non-bruins fans started telling me he was lol

In saying that. He will be very soon, and a package with him for eichel wouldnt contain many more pieces.

Eichel is a beast, but centers are much more plentiful than RHD (which is probably why he was top 5 for a lot of those guys when there were some LHD that missed the list but were better)

Again, my offer (and the only one that the bruins would even CONSIDER accepting with Mcavoy in it) would be Eichel for Mcavoy, a 1st, and like Kuhlman tops...

MORE LIKELY THOUGH: a team that isnt a contender would give up a few giant pieces to build a team around eichel.
But the bruins, lightning, blues, etc... they arent giving up elite pieces now for eichel, its not worth it

Yeah in reality sabres won’t trade Eichal to Boston. I don’t think they’ll trade him at all but they need to make the playoffs this upcoming year. If they miss again, he may ask for a trade and rightfully should

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Jun. 11, 2020 at 11:53 p.m.

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Quoting: mhockey91

Like I said; he’s probably around the 20 ish mark for D. That’s not a knock, he’s only 22 and getting better. But you’re just overrating your own players if you seriously think he’s a top 10 D in the league atm. And #1D are most certainly not more valuable than a 1C. Centre is the best position in hockey to build around.

Ya, if all you want is the hockeydb page, center is probably the position you should go for. Can’t win a cup without a true number one d, there aren’t many of them in the league.

McAvoy is the number one d, and logs the most minutes for the best team in the league, I’m gonna toss him in the top ten conversation.

Jun. 11, 2020 at 11:58 p.m.

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Ya, if all you want is the hockeydb page, center is probably the position you should go for. Can’t win a cup without a true number one d, there aren’t many of them in the league.

McAvoy is the number one d, and logs the most minutes for the best team in the league, I’m gonna toss him in the top ten conversation.

Pens won the cup in 2017 without a number one D lol. They won it based off of having 2 elite centres. Just because he’s the best D on ONE of the best teams doesn’t make him a top 10 D. Boston is a very well rounded team. If you swapped McAvoy for Parayko, Boston would have similar results.

Jun. 12, 2020 at 12:02 a.m.

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Quoting: mhockey91

Pens won the cup in 2017 without a number one D lol. They won it based off of having 2 elite centres. Just because he’s the best D on ONE of the best teams doesn’t make him a top 10 D. Boston is a very well rounded team. If you swapped McAvoy for Parayko, Boston would have similar results.

Maybe. Just for the record I’m not using his status as the top d on the best (cmon, I’m not saying they’re going to win the cup, they were the best team this year. That isn’t really a matter of opinion) team as a concrete reason for any ranking of him compared to his peers, but it is certainly a resume that leads to being in the conversation. I thought it was good to point it out seeing as how I’ve probably seen him play a few thousand times more minutes than you have, and have a better idea of what he brings to the table.

Parayko is really freaking good.

Jun. 12, 2020 at 12:07 a.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

Maybe. Just for the record I’m not using his status as the top d on the best (cmon, I’m not saying they’re going to win the cup, they were the best team this year. That isn’t really a matter of opinion) team as a concrete reason for any ranking of him compared to his peers, but it is certainly a resume that leads to being in the conversation. I thought it was good to point it out seeing as how I’ve probably seen him play a few thousand times more minutes than you have, and have a better idea of what he brings to the table.

Parayko is really freaking good.

I’m not knocking that he’s a great young D. And like I keep pointing out, he’s only 22. The best D’s in the NHL probably weren’t as good as him when they were his age. I’m just saying he’s not a Norris caliber D YET. I like McAvoy and think he’s underrated. A lot of my buddies compare his ability to Jeff Petry and I think he’s clear cut better than him.

Jun. 12, 2020 at 12:10 a.m.

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Quoting: mhockey91

I’m not knocking that he’s a great young D. And like I keep pointing out, he’s only 22. The best D’s in the NHL probably weren’t as good as him when they were his age. I’m just saying he’s not a Norris caliber D YET. I like McAvoy and think he’s underrated. A lot of my buddies compare his ability to Jeff Petry and I think he’s clear cut better than him.

Well, I’m glad you think he’s better than Petry.

I think you’re wrong about the rest. He’s a guy that the more you see the more you like. Most of his play is quiet.

Jun. 12, 2020 at 2:23 a.m.

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