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Josh Ho-Sang

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Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 12, 2020
Published: Jun. 12, 2020
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It has been emphasized by the majority of the Penguins fan base that they need a top 6 right winger since Conor Sheary isn’t good enough for their expectations. So far, I’ve explored several different options looking at right wingers of all different price ranges, and recently, I read an article that gave me an idea.

Obviously there have been question marks about Josh Ho-Sang’s work ethic & attitude in the past, but based on the stats given from the time he’s spent in the NHL, he’s proven that he deserves a full time roster spot. He is an above average play driver in terms of generating shots & possession plus is a good defensive Forward. It appears the Islanders never gave him a fair opportunity.

I think the Pens should take a chance on him & put with Sid. He will be cheap for 1 year, which is perfect for a flat cap league.

Here is the article I found: https://jfresh.substack.com/p/joshua-ho-sang-belongs-in-the-nhl

Hope y’all give it a read.
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 12:28 p.m.
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        Wouldn't take JJ if you could even retain his entire salary...
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 12:36 p.m.
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        But Ho-Sang would't be able to wear 66 for the Pens.
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 12:41 p.m.
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        so where's the incentive for NJ to take Johnson?
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 12:46 p.m.
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        I'm not opposed to acquiring Ho-sang, per se; but if there is an issue with work ethic, he shouldn't play with Sid...
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 12:47 p.m.
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        Detroit passes. A rebuilding team isn't going to trade 2 2nds for Murray when there are other less expensive options.
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:04 p.m.
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        Quoting: Pens3lieve
        I'm not opposed to acquiring Ho-sang, per se; but if there is an issue with work ethic, he shouldn't play with Sid...


        As an Isles fan I would hate to see Ho-Sang with Crosby as he could turn him into a 60 point player. Ho-Sang plays hard every shift, I do not think that is the issue. His 2 glaring weaknesses was being lost in the D-Zone and too much skating with puck in O-Zone. If you could get him to move the puck faster in the O-Zone and not dangle on the blue line he could be a very good player.
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:12 p.m.
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        How about Kahun?
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:25 p.m.
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        Quoting: kogger
        Wouldn't take JJ if you could even retain his entire salary...


        At least someone understands that JJ is bad.
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:26 p.m.
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        Quoting: zyyyp
        so where's the incentive for NJ to take Johnson?


        I was told that there will be teams in need of defensemen so the Penguins won’t need to give up assets to trade on JJ.
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.
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        Quoting: aedoran
        Detroit passes. A rebuilding team isn't going to trade 2 2nds for Murray when there are other less expensive options.


        I heard the value for Murray currently is two 2nd round picks & Detroit needs a goalie long term, so I just sent him there.
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:30 p.m.
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        Quoting: Pens3lieve
        I'm not opposed to acquiring Ho-sang, per se; but if there is an issue with work ethic, he shouldn't play with Sid...


        Those were concerns from Josh’s junior days, but over the past few seasons he’s worked much harder. He backchecks & has a good xGA record. He plays the game much like Marner, an undersized player who’s soft & doesn’t offer much physicality but is really skilled & creative.
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:37 p.m.
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        Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
        I was told that there will be teams in need of defensemen so the Penguins won’t need to give up assets to trade on JJ.


        I can't see NJ taking him for nothing. throw in a mid to late round pick to make it worth our while
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:44 p.m.
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        Quoting: Warrior24
        As an Isles fan I would hate to see Ho-Sang with Crosby as he could turn him into a 60 point player. Ho-Sang plays hard every shift, I do not think that is the issue. His 2 glaring weaknesses was being lost in the D-Zone and too much skating with puck in O-Zone. If you could get him to move the puck faster in the O-Zone and not dangle on the blue line he could be a very good player.


        Thanks for the insight. Yes, simplifying his game has always been an area of work in his game. Based on the stats, it seems he worked pretty hard & got good results defensively, but his lack of production got him back in the AHL. Honestly I’m not sure if Ho-Sang is going to fare well with the Penguins coaching staff, but I think he’s an option.

        What is the issue with Michael Dal Colle? His underlying numbers are horrible & he hasn’t provided much offence. Is he too slow? Lacks hockey sense? Poor defensively? Or maybe he doesn’t fit Trotz’s system?
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:44 p.m.
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        Quoting: zyyyp
        I can't see NJ taking him for nothing. throw in a mid to late round pick to make it worth our while


        Sure I can do that.
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:50 p.m.
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        Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
        I heard the value for Murray currently is two 2nd round picks & Detroit needs a goalie long term, so I just sent him there.


        Detroit doesn't have enough pieces in place to be able to spend 3 assets to get 1. Starting with the 2016-17 season up until now he ranks in the 30's in both GAA and SV% in the regular season.
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:53 p.m.
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        Quoting: aedoran
        Detroit doesn't have enough pieces in place to be able to spend 3 assets to get 1. Starting with the 2016-17 season up until now he ranks in the 30's in both GAA and SV% in the regular season.


        Yes but in the 2016 playoffs he had a SV of 92 & in 2017, a SV Of 93. He has proven he can perform when it matters most. Maybe Detroit isn’t in the position to pay, but someone will.
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:55 p.m.
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:59 p.m.
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        Quoting: Pens3lieve
        I'm not opposed to acquiring Ho-sang, per se; but if there is an issue with work ethic, he shouldn't play with Sid...


        Not really, he was at least able to adapt and play very very well in any situation the islanders put him in, I don't think it's work ethic, I think his issue was he's too outspoken for an old fashioned hockey man like Lou, I'd love to pick him up
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 1:59 p.m.
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        Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
        Yes but in the 2016 playoffs he had a SV of 92 & in 2017, a SV Of 93. He has proven he can perform when it matters most. Maybe Detroit isn’t in the position to pay, but someone will.


        I'm not sure of his value but there are several playoff teams or on the verge becoming a playoff team that need and can afford to spend more to get a goalie.
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 2:10 p.m.
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        Quoting: aedoran
        I'm not sure of his value but there are several playoff teams or on the verge becoming a playoff team that need and can afford to spend more to get a goalie.


        Thanks for letting me know.
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 2:10 p.m.
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        Not retaining on Johnson. If you are retaining then there is no reason to trade him. Either move the contract or play him. The coaches like him anyway.

        Ho-Sang = Sprong. Actually Ho-Sang < Sprong. Pass.

        The Islanders aren't going to qualify him and he will be a UFA. Offer him a 2-way and if he says no, absolutely no loss for the Pens.
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 2:14 p.m.
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        Quoting: AFOX10900
        Not really, he was at least able to adapt and play very very well in any situation the islanders put him in, I don't think it's work ethic, I think his issue was he's too outspoken for an old fashioned hockey man like Lou, I'd love to pick him up


        Agree he would do way better than Sheary.
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        Jun. 12, 2020 at 2:22 p.m.
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        Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
        Thanks for the insight. Yes, simplifying his game has always been an area of work in his game. Based on the stats, it seems he worked pretty hard & got good results defensively, but his lack of production got him back in the AHL. Honestly I’m not sure if Ho-Sang is going to fare well with the Penguins coaching staff, but I think he’s an option.

        What is the issue with Michael Dal Colle? His underlying numbers are horrible & he hasn’t provided much offence. Is he too slow? Lacks hockey sense? Poor defensively? Or maybe he doesn’t fit Trotz’s system?


        Dal Colle is an OK skater. Seems to process the game slow, has a good shot but slow to get it off, and not really a physical player. Defense seems to be the best part of his game, will never be more than 30point bottom 6 player.
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 2:26 p.m.
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        Quoting: Yojimbo
        Not retaining on Johnson. If you are retaining then there is no reason to trade him. Either move the contract or play him. The coaches like him anyway.

        Ho-Sang = Sprong. Actually Ho-Sang < Sprong. Pass.

        The Islanders aren't going to qualify him and he will be a UFA. Offer him a 2-way and if he says no, absolutely no loss for the Pens.


        Well, JJ is a bad defenceman so I traded him for an upgrade in McCabe. I could care less about his contract or if the coaching staff likes him, as long as he's gone, the team plays better.

        As for the Sprong comparison, you couldn't be more wrong. Sprong was one of the most lazy and one dimensional players of all time. Other than an impressive 2017/18 season, he was awful. Couldn't ever sustain an offensive zone cycle, never retrieved the puck, never contributed defensively and never generated any quality scoring chances. Ho-Sang is quite the opposite.

        Did you even read the article? https://jfresh.substack.com/p/joshua-ho-sang-belongs-in-the-nhl
        Jun. 12, 2020 at 2:30 p.m.
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        Quoting: Warrior24
        Dal Colle is an OK skater. Seems to process the game slow, has a good shot but slow to get it off, and not really a physical player. Defense seems to be the best part of his game, will never be more than 30point bottom 6 player.


        Thanks for letting me know.
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