Duncan Keith Is The Most Overrated Defenceman Of The Cap Era

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Created by: HattrickKane88

Team: 2020-21 Chicago Blackhawks

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 12, 2020

Published: Jun. 12, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Even as a Blackhawks fan, it is not hard to admit that Duncan Keith is one of the worst and most overrated defenceman in NHL history. There is nothing impressive about him whatsoever. The guy is a turnover machine & is incapable of moving the puck out of the defensive zone. Whenever he's on the ice, the Blackhawks are getting outplayed. The guy can't defend the front of the net & is always out of position. His reputation of winning multiple cups has been severely overblown. Literally anyone could've won with that team. They were so stacked on offence with Patrick Kane & Brandon Saad plus had a tremendous defence featuring Nick Leddy & Dustin Byfuglien. Also, Keith's Norris trophies were undeserved. Just because he played a lot of minutes & scored a lot of points, it doesn't mean he was good. Look at Morgan Rielly for example. Keith has never had a WAR higher than 0.3 throughout his career, so it's embarrassing how bad he is.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Strome, Dylan		5	$5,500,000
Kubalik, Dominik		5	$6,000,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Vesey, Jimmy	1	$1,850,000
Maroon, Patrick	1	$1,750,000
Anderson, Craig	1	$1,750,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Sanderson, Jake		3	$925,000

Trades

CHI

Suter, Ryan

MIN

Keith, Duncan
2020 2nd round pick (PIT)

CHI

2022 7th round pick (MTL)

MTL

Määttä, Olli

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$81,500,000	$65,936,206	$1,090,244	$5,050,000	$15,563,794

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kubalik, Dominik $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Toews, Jonathan $10,500,000$10,500,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Saad, Brandon $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
DeBrincat, Alex $6,400,000$6,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Strome, Dylan $5,500,000$5,500,000 C UFA - 2	Kane, Patrick $2,625,000$2,625,000 RW NMC UFA - 3
Vesey, Jimmy $1,850,000$1,850,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Dach, Kirby $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C, RW RFA - 2	Nylander, Alexander $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 1
	Kämpf, David $1,000,000$1,000,000 C UFA - 1	Carpenter, Ryan $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 2
Maroon, Patrick $1,750,000$1,750,000 LW, RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Suter, Ryan $7,538,462$7,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 5		Anderson, Craig $1,750,000$1,750,000 G UFA - 1
Sanderson, Jake $925,000$925,000	Murphy, Connor $3,850,000$3,850,000 RD UFA - 2	Delia, Collin $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 2
De Haan, Calvin $4,550,000$4,550,000 LD/RD UFA - 2	Boqvist, Adam $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2
	Mitchell, Ian $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 3

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Shaw, Andrew $3,900,000$3,900,000 C, RW UFA - 2
		Seabrook, Brent $6,875,000$6,875,000 RD NMC UFA - 4
		Smith, Zack $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW, C M-NTC UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Kubalik, D.		Toews, J.		Kane, P.
	Nylander, A.		Suter, R.

Power Play 2
DeBrincat, A.		Strome, D.		Dach, K.
	Vesey, J.		Sanderson, J.

Penalty Kill 1
	Toews, J.	Saad, B.
	Suter, R.	Murphy, C.

Penalty Kill 2
	Kämpf, D.	Vesey, J.
	Sanderson, J.	Boqvist, A.

Jun. 12, 2020 at 4:55 p.m.

BorisBagel

Boris Bagel

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Habs counter with Alzner and 6th for Määttä and a 7th

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 4:55 p.m.

mnwild1790

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You okay bro?

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 4:56 p.m.

ItWasIn

CGY

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Maybe he's a little overrated but so was Derek Jeter. Doesn't mean he's not a Hall of famer and his number will be retired by the Hawks.

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:00 p.m.

tkecanuck341

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I watched the 2015 playoffs.

Not overrated.

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:04 p.m.

mnwild1790

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Also, as much as I'd like to shed some salary and term to our current payroll, Suter aint leaving. Parise can be convinced to waive his NMC but we could be dead last in the standings and he still would probably nix any trade for him. I just see him wanting to play in Minnesota until his contract is up and then going into retirement in Madison or somewhere. I mean, I could be wrong, but from what I know, Suter isn't leaving.

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:05 p.m.

Saskleaf

Go leafs go

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He’s good, just not anymore.

Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:10 p.m.

ChiHawk

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Looks like the troll is back

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:22 p.m.

HatterTParty

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Well, I’ll take a more hands, less insulting approach in my response.

Respectfully, saying Keith is overrated is a little heavy handed. I’ll admit that some of statistics (assists especially) are helped along by the offensive studs this team had. As for his turnovers and passing, I would ask if you had numbers on the turnovers. Not questioning you, just would love to see numbers. His passing, in my opinion hasn’t always been as bad as you say. He use to be an amazing stretch passer in his prime. The 2015 playoffs was him putting on a show as well.

So while I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment, I won’t shoot it down at all. This team was stacked for years. But I also believe Keith was a big part of that with his leadership and his insane work rate (28-30 minutes a night ain’t easy). But I’m curious as to anything else you could add that missing.

Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:25 p.m.

firezfurx

Dubas isnt a genius

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Quoting: ChiHawk

Looks like the troll is back

This was the guy who claimed Marner sucks and should be in the AHL.

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:32 p.m.

#10

TheLastOfUs

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For the MTL trade PITT would have to take some salary back, they have a lot of UFA next year and can’t afford to take on a 4 million plus on the cap without shedding some salary. So maybe Alzner and a 4th or Byron and a 5th would work.

Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:41 p.m.

#11

mhockey91

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Quoting: TheLastOfUs

Pit? I think you meant Chicago lol. And even still, maatta isn’t a cap dump

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:41 p.m.

#12

mhockey91

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Dude I know you’re trolling. This is 100% a duplicate account on here.

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:44 p.m.

#13

SlickWilly

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Quoting: mhockey91

Dude I know you’re trolling. This is 100% a duplicate account on here.

He only comes out every once in a while, but when he does you really gotta brace yourself

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:48 p.m.

#14

bhavikp27

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and Patrick Kane is the best player ever

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1712817

*despite being one of the worst defensive forwards*

Jun. 12, 2020 at 5:56 p.m.

#15

mhockey91

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Quoting: SlickWilly

He only comes out every once in a while, but when he does you really gotta brace yourself

I mean, Keith for almost a 10 year span was among the best D in the NHL. In Norris votes over than span he ranked:

2008- 11
2009- 6
2010- 1
2011- 9
2012- 13
2013- 6
2014- 1
2015- 7
2016- 11
2017- 4

Plus throw in 3 cups, a conn smyth, 2 gold medals, and a World Cup of hockey gold.

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 6:00 p.m.

#16

SlickWilly

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Quoting: mhockey91

I know right. I mean his description is just incorrect lmao if you look at the athletic articles they've posted comparing the Hawks cup run teams Keith wasn't "always under 0.3 WAR" and he also incorrectly stated that Buff played defense with us, which he played wing. He's been spewing pure troll content for a while lol

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 6:22 p.m.

#17

ForsbergForVezina

CHI NYI

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Wow

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 7:03 p.m.

#18

DarthKane

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Trade Keith? Absolutely no way in H E double hockey sticks.

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 7:30 p.m.

#19

Wadejos123

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Rewatch the 2010, 2013, or 2015 playoffs and then reconsider

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 7:56 p.m.

#20

Capitalfail67

Caps fan idk why

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Haha woof.....

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 8:23 p.m.

#21

remowilliams

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duncan keith is a class act. he was by far one of the best d in the league in his prime.he has lost a step so has alot of players his age.i had the pleasure of knowing him and his family.to see him come from the gangley legged peewee to one of the best d in the nhl was awesome.he deserves respect for his contributions to the nhl not trolled by a so called hawks fan.

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Jun. 12, 2020 at 8:44 p.m.

#22

HabsForEver

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Montreal declines. Maatta isn't anything more than a #5 defensemen and his contract would hurt us more than his skill would help us.

Jun. 12, 2020 at 9:25 p.m.

#23

Pmwalker

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Not this crap again. Who let him out? Pours a bourbon. This should be good

Jun. 16, 2020 at 3:30 p.m.

#24

HattrickKane88

Thread Starter

PatrickKaneIsGOAT

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Quoting: mnwild1790

I know he's not leaving. I traded for him to demonstrate my point that he's been a better defender than Keith.

Jun. 16, 2020 at 3:34 p.m.

#25

HattrickKane88

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PatrickKaneIsGOAT

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Quoting: ItWasIn

Maybe he's a little overrated but so was Derek Jeter. Doesn't mean he's not a Hall of famer and his number will be retired by the Hawks.

Quoting: tkecanuck341

I watched the 2015 playoffs.

Not overrated.

Quoting: Wadejos123

Rewatch the 2010, 2013, or 2015 playoffs and then reconsider

If you think Keith was a good defenceman, then you don't know what you're watching. Whenever he's on the ice the team gets stuck in their own end. That was especially the case during the 2015 cup run which makes his Conn Smythe even more of a joke. Kane was the best player by far in all 3 cup runs. Just because you score a lot of points and play a ton of minutes it doesn't make you elite. You actually have to get results & Keith isn't capable of doing so.

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