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Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 13, 2020
Published: Jun. 13, 2020
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Just spitballing here.

Buffalo wants to win. Eichel wants to win. They need to retool.

I have seen Tierney to Buffalo for Miller/Montour. Risto is better than those two, but the general D for Tierney trade is what im looking at. Risto has been rumoured on the block for a while and he carries a moderate cap hit.

Okposo is a ****ing anchor. 3 more years @ 6M. Buffalo and Toronto paid firsts to get rid of 1 year @ 6M.

Hutton is old and bad. Nilson is aging, but he is better and a touch cheaper. He is also swedish for a Swedish goalie tandem for Buffalo with Linus.

Mike Reilly is a warm body to fill the spot for Buffalo, they can shift him and recoup a bit of value

Buffalo gives up the 8OA for 15OA, and the 38OA for the 45OA

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Obviously this many pieces make the trade unrealistic, but how does the community feel value wise?

This helps Ottawa reach the floor, this helps Buffalo make a UFA swing on players like Hall/Pietrangelo.

Buffalo can retool without losing their 1st or 2nd.
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  1. Hutton, Carter
  2. Okposo, Kyle
  3. Ristolainen, Rasmus
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  1. Nilsson, Anders
  2. Reilly, Mike
  3. Tierney, Chris [RFA Rights]
  4. 2020 1st round pick (NYI)
  5. 2020 2nd round pick (NYI)
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 1:31 p.m.
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I would just do Risto for Tierney and be okay as a Buffalo fan.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 1:52 p.m.
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I would just do Risto for Tierney and be okay as a Buffalo fan.


Im surprised to hear it, but I would do it.

I like the fact he is locked into 2 years. I thought buffalo fans ranked Risto > Miller > Montour
Jun. 13, 2020 at 1:54 p.m.
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I hate this so much.

Ristolainen is easily the least appealing of the three RHD in Buffalo. He's a good hand on the PP, but he's a very weak defender, which is terrible for Ottawa. Sens have options for the power play on the Blueline (Chabot, Wolanin, Brannstrom) what they need is defensive stability.

Okposo is terrible and they don't need his money to hit the floor. I'm not a fan of adding a big term (3+ years) contract at this stage.

Swapping Nilsson for Hutton is a really really bad idea. Hogberg needs a goalie he can lean on next year. He's not ready for a 50+ game workload, and Hutton is not a goalie who can take those starts away.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 1:55 p.m.
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If you want their 2020 first you're going to have to do a lot better than Nilsson and Reilly, Okposo is still useful to Buffalo and I have 0 need to give up on Hutton, so they arent justifiable enough cap dumps to even come close. Its workable, but the Sabres are in need of that top 7 pick more than anything else, and a middle 6 center isnt going to change that
Jun. 13, 2020 at 1:57 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
Im surprised to hear it, but I would do it.

I like the fact he is locked into 2 years. I thought buffalo fans ranked Risto > Miller > Montour


Depends most will say Montour > Miller > Risto. Montour is the easiest to trade though
Jun. 13, 2020 at 2:05 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
Im surprised to hear it, but I would do it.

I like the fact he is locked into 2 years. I thought buffalo fans ranked Risto > Miller > Montour


I think that opinions can be different. We need 2C so much that I am ready to trade any of our RD except Jokiharju for Tierney.

So that you understand our situation a little.

At first I would try to trade Risto or Montour, or maybe even both. I would save Miller, as he seems to have found his game and has some chemistry with Dahlin, I also don’t think we can get much for him, plus his contract is the cheapest when compared to Risto and Montour.

Montour - I think in general he is a not bad player, but absolutely average, that's exactly the same as Tierney. He was not very good last season, but I think something is mainly due to the fact that he was forced to play LD, he was also after an injury, he looks better on the position of RD, he is also RFA and maybe he wants to 4+ million.

Risto - If you need a big physical defender who can help on PP and PK, play 20+ minutes then this is your choice, he really is not very good in defense, but sometimes he gives out very good segments or separate matches, which really looks like #1 defender . You have Chabot, so Risto doesn’t have to play the same role as in Buffalo and play 25 minutes a night, this can relieve some of the pressure from him, but in general he is certainly a strange player.
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 2:22 p.m.
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you want the 7OA pick?? for what exactly hahaha
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 2:27 p.m.
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you want the 7OA pick?? for what exactly hahaha


Pretty much a pick swap and taking Okposo. Who knows where the Isles pick will be tho
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.
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Quoting: SalamiCheese
I think that opinions can be different. We need 2C so much that I am ready to trade any of our RD except Jokiharju for Tierney.

So that you understand our situation a little.

At first I would try to trade Risto or Montour, or maybe even both. I would save Miller, as he seems to have found his game and has some chemistry with Dahlin, I also don’t think we can get much for him, plus his contract is the cheapest when compared to Risto and Montour.

Montour - I think in general he is a not bad player, but absolutely average, that's exactly the same as Tierney. He was not very good last season, but I think something is mainly due to the fact that he was forced to play LD, he was also after an injury, he looks better on the position of RD, he is also RFA and maybe he wants to 4+ million.

Risto - If you need a big physical defender who can help on PP and PK, play 20+ minutes then this is your choice, he really is not very good in defense, but sometimes he gives out very good segments or separate matches, which really looks like #1 defender . You have Chabot, so Risto doesn’t have to play the same role as in Buffalo and play 25 minutes a night, this can relieve some of the pressure from him, but in general he is certainly a strange player.


Thanks for the insight.

I liked Risto for basically that reason. RHD, and I think given a lesser role and a strong system around him he would be good for and in Ottawa.

Id be totally okay with any of your 3 on offer, but my preference is Risto
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
I hate this so much.

Ristolainen is easily the least appealing of the three RHD in Buffalo. He's a good hand on the PP, but he's a very weak defender, which is terrible for Ottawa. Sens have options for the power play on the Blueline (Chabot, Wolanin, Brannstrom) what they need is defensive stability.

Okposo is terrible and they don't need his money to hit the floor. I'm not a fan of adding a big term (3+ years) contract at this stage.

Swapping Nilsson for Hutton is a really really bad idea. Hogberg needs a goalie he can lean on next year. He's not ready for a 50+ game workload, and Hutton is not a goalie who can take those starts away.


I dont think Risto is that bad. Every D on Buffalo is a corsi negative and negative goal differential player. I think RIsto has the tools to play in a better D core, and I think Ottawa can build that structure.

I have Risto > Miller > Montour

We dont *need* Okposo to hit the cap floor, but we can use our cap space for picks. Its a common idea.

Hutton plays more than Nilsson, and who cares if he is worse, were not gonna be good next year.
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:21 p.m.
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Okposo is not an anchor. He is overpaid, but a meaningful part of the team. We aren't moving a top 10 pick to get rid of him.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
If you want their 2020 first you're going to have to do a lot better than Nilsson and Reilly, Okposo is still useful to Buffalo and I have 0 need to give up on Hutton, so they arent justifiable enough cap dumps to even come close. Its workable, but the Sabres are in need of that top 7 pick more than anything else, and a middle 6 center isnt going to change that


I dont think that 7OA, who will be NHL ready in like 2-3 years is what buffalo needs right now.

Buffalo is what, 10 years since making the playoffs? Maybe staying the course isnt the best idea right now.

This is a very low risk move.

Half of the Buffalo fans are in here talking about how Risto is the worst of your 3 D, you shed 24M in salary (12 next season, 12 the next 2), grab an all situations RFA C, upgrade your goaltending, and it doesnt even cost you either your first or second round pick.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:27 p.m.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Okposo is not an anchor. He is overpaid, but a meaningful part of the team. We aren't moving a top 10 pick to get rid of him.


Every single year for the last 4 years, he has gotten worse. Youre using 7.3% of your cap to play Okposo 12 minutes a night. Youre literally paying him more than $200k per point he puts up.

You can like the guy, but he is one of the things holding buffalo back. If buffalo gets a CBO, Okposo is the first guy who is fired into the sun
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:29 p.m.
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Quoting: chloewoj
you want the 7OA pick?? for what exactly hahaha


For 15OA pick, for upgrading your goaltending and for taking 24M in cap

Seems fair to me
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:34 p.m.
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Every single year for the last 4 years, he has gotten worse. Youre using 7.3% of your cap to play Okposo 12 minutes a night. Youre literally paying him more than $200k per point he puts up.

You can like the guy, but he is one of the things holding buffalo back. If buffalo gets a CBO, Okposo is the first guy who is fired into the sun


There is a big difference between a compliance buyout and paying a top 10 pick
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:36 p.m.
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Pretty much a pick swap and taking Okposo. Who knows where the Isles pick will be tho


If the Isles go out in the prelim round then I think Sabres should do this as the pick would fall in the top 11 and there still would be an elite prospect there
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:41 p.m.
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There is a big difference between a compliance buyout and paying a top 10 pick


The logic is:

To dump 6M costs a 1st in the expected range of about 25OA.

3 * 25OA + 15OA + upgrade goalie > 7OA

Buffalo moves forward able to sign Pietrangelo or Hall to a contract that makes a difference, and grabs Amirov/Quinn/Jarvis/Gunler/Zary etc
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:41 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
For 15OA pick, for upgrading your goaltending and for taking 24M in cap

Seems fair to me


Buffalo is not considering Risto a cap dump. If they cannot get value to strengthen the team up front for him they aren't moving him. I am not sure Nilsson is an upgrade over Hutton
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:42 p.m.
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If the Isles go out in the prelim round then I think Sabres should do this as the pick would fall in the top 11 and there still would be an elite prospect there


The lowest the NYI pick can fall is 13 OA, but my example is assuming 15OA for arguments sake
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:45 p.m.
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I dont think that 7OA, who will be NHL ready in like 2-3 years is what buffalo needs right now.

You should look into this draft more.

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Buffalo is what, 10 years since making the playoffs? Maybe staying the course isnt the best idea right now.

This is a very low risk move.

Half of the Buffalo fans are in here talking about how Risto is the worst of your 3 D, you shed 24M in salary (12 next season, 12 the next 2), grab an all situations RFA C, upgrade your goaltending, and it doesnt even cost you either your first or second round pick.

Shedding 7 mill in cap (12 mill per season minus 2.6 mill for Nilsson and another 1.5 mill for Reilly) only to spend that on a mediocre crop of free agents for 2 1st round knockouts and then another 10 year drought is not much of a better option either. Tierney for Risto sure. I dont need to spend a top 10 first to shed 7 mill in cap
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:49 p.m.
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Buffalo is not considering Risto a cap dump. If they cannot get value to strengthen the team up front for him they aren't moving him. I am not sure Nilsson is an upgrade over Hutton


Risto is not an inherent cap dump, but they have RHD on roster who can more than servicably fit the exact same role, one of which is RFA who is yet to be signed, and you get a D coming back. It would facilitate cap relief allowing them to make a UFA signing who can move the needle.

Hes not BAD. I wouldnt want him if he was. He just isnt right for Buffalo and you can use his cap elsewhere. You dont have a perfect Tierney replacement. Do you have a Risto replacement (and Tierney will be less expensive)
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 4:07 p.m.
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I dont think Risto is that bad. Every D on Buffalo is a corsi negative and negative goal differential player. I think RIsto has the tools to play in a better D core, and I think Ottawa can build that structure.

I have Risto > Miller > Montour

We dont *need* Okposo to hit the cap floor, but we can use our cap space for picks. Its a common idea.

Hutton plays more than Nilsson, and who cares if he is worse, were not gonna be good next year.


Risto has had a negative cf%Rel for 4 of the last 5 seasons. He's a drag even on a weak possession team. The only one of the three I'd really want is Miller. I'd probably be fine with Montour is the price was right, but I'm not touching Risto.

I understand the idea behind the Okposo deal, I just don't think there's enough value there for me. Moving up with a couple picks isn't that great value weighed against having an anchor blocking a roster spot for 3 years.

And even if Ottawa isn't going to be good, it's still in the best interest of Development for the sens to ice a competitive lineup every night, and they can't really so that with Hutton imo. Nilsson is a good mentor for Hogberg who is still getting used to the NHL.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
The logic is:

To dump 6M costs a 1st in the expected range of about 25OA.

3 * 25OA + 15OA + upgrade goalie > 7OA

Buffalo moves forward able to sign Pietrangelo or Hall to a contract that makes a difference, and grabs Amirov/Quinn/Jarvis/Gunler/Zary etc


Upgrade backup goalie. Not worth a top 10 pick. The Sabres dont need Hall, Pietrangelo, or, and especially, the contracts theyre going to get
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 4:17 p.m.
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The lowest the NYI pick can fall is 13 OA, but my example is assuming 15OA for arguments sake


I am not sure I would do it at 15 or any deeper into the first. That is definitely a couple tiers down in terms of prospect level according to most draft experts
Jun. 13, 2020 at 4:45 p.m.
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The logic is:

To dump 6M costs a 1st in the expected range of about 25OA.

3 * 25OA + 15OA + upgrade goalie > 7OA

Buffalo moves forward able to sign Pietrangelo or Hall to a contract that makes a difference, and grabs Amirov/Quinn/Jarvis/Gunler/Zary etc


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