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Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 13, 2020
Published: Jun. 13, 2020
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2$1,050,000
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2$800,000
3$2,800,000
2$1,000,000
5$5,000,000
4$4,000,000
3$2,750,000
2$950,000
2$950,000
3$3,750,000
3$7,750,000
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1$700,000
1$700,000
1$1,050,000
1$800,000
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  1. Mittelstadt, Casey [RFA Rights]
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22$81,500,000$75,268,334$1,487,500$4,337,500$6,231,666
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C
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C
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C
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C, LW
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LW, C
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G
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:02 p.m.
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The Ottawa and Edmonton trades are good and make sense. Fair value. Pilut just signed a KHL contract as you know so Florida has little incentive to do that. Even though ghost has struggled a lot this year, he’s got a lot more upside than Johansan so Flyers probably pass
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:05 p.m.
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The Ottawa and Edmonton trades are good and make sense. Fair value. Pilut just signed a KHL contract as you know so Florida has little incentive to do that. Even though ghost has struggled a lot this year, he’s got a lot more upside than Johansan so Flyers probably pass


Pilut has an NHL out clause, he's going to the KHL unless he gets traded basically. I've seen Flyers fans request Johansson for Ghost, they wont/cant protect Ghost in the expansion
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:18 p.m.
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All reasonable
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:19 p.m.
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Just something to file away: Olofsson's birthday is in July, so you can give him a 2-year contract without sending him to free agency.
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:19 p.m.
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The Ottawa and Edmonton trades are good and make sense. Fair value. Pilut just signed a KHL contract as you know so Florida has little incentive to do that. Even though ghost has struggled a lot this year, he’s got a lot more upside than Johansan so Flyers probably pass


Borgstrom has made the same threat and pilut has an NHL out. Obviously would require him to sign an nhl deal
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:20 p.m.
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Would rather hold onto Gostisbehere than move him for Marcus Johansson. He kinda blocks our younger guys from getting top-nine ice time so I'd rather just roll the dice with Ghost.
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:21 p.m.
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Pilut has an NHL out clause, he's going to the KHL unless he gets traded basically. I've seen Flyers fans request Johansson for Ghost, they wont/cant protect Ghost in the expansion


Philly also has a lot of left shot D ready to fill that void. Johannson offers a 40 point depth winger that can play 3C in a pinch if Patrick/Frost cannot fill that void. Maybe a third or a 4th round pick would be needed as Ghost has more upside but not far off. Maybe a conditional pick attached to the Florida trade if Pilut does not sign with the Panthers perhaps a 2021 3rd or 2022 2nd
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:23 p.m.
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Well it looks fair, but this Montour contract is killing me.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:24 p.m.
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Would rather hold onto Gostisbehere than move him for Marcus Johansson. He kinda blocks our younger guys from getting top-nine ice time so I'd rather just roll the dice with Ghost.


Ghost is blocking ice time for your left D prospects who IMO look more promising than your forward prospects at this point
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:33 p.m.
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Just something to file away: Olofsson's birthday is in July, so you can give him a 2-year contract without sending him to free agency.


I'd like to sign him for a while because I think his stock will rise, usually 4 x 4 mill or 5 x 5 mill.
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Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:36 p.m.
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Well it looks fair, but this Montour contract is killing me.


If Montour wasnt hurt this season he was on pace to add another million to his annual salary. He has really good numbers on a bad team. Buffalo's defense is not in bad shape.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:39 p.m.
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If Montour wasnt hurt this season he was on pace to add another million to his annual salary. He has really good numbers on a bad team. Buffalo's defense is not in bad shape.


I just think that Montour is absolutely an average player, I would not mind if he signed a contract 3,5/4M x 3Y, but 5M x 5Y seems too much.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 3:53 p.m.
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Ghost is blocking ice time for your left D prospects who IMO look more promising than your forward prospects at this point


Cam York and Yegor Zamula aren't going to be playing in the NHL next year so Gostisbehere isn't blocking anyone. Johansson would need to get top-nine minutes for him to be worth throwing the towel in on Ghost which he probably wouldn't get:

Giroux - Couturier - Voracek
Laughton - Hayes - Konecny
JVR - Frost/Grant - Farabee
Raffl - Frost/Grant - NAK
Jun. 13, 2020 at 4:00 p.m.
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I just think that Montour is absolutely an average player, I would not mind if he signed a contract 3,5/4M x 3Y, but 5M x 5Y seems too much.


If they could get him cheaper thats fine, I'd still want him long term, I think our defensemen's number all took a hit this year with how bad the forwards were. Even then you look at Montour's zone entries and hes at the top of the league. His forwards couldnt convert that.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 4:07 p.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
Cam York and Yegor Zamula aren't going to be playing in the NHL next year so Gostisbehere isn't blocking anyone. Johansson would need to get top-nine minutes for him to be worth throwing the towel in on Ghost which he probably wouldn't get:

Giroux - Couturier - Voracek
Laughton - Hayes - Konecny
JVR - Frost/Grant - Farabee
Raffl - Frost/Grant - NAK


Derek Grant played for Buffalo, he isnt a 3rd liner. His PDO was an astronomical 106 with Philly and 103.3 with Anaheim last year. He's a depth player if Philly even chooses to resign him. Morgan Frost is probably best suited to start in the A. Probably the same with Patrick if he comes back. Johansson is a UFA after next year and allows them to do just that. Frost and Patrick both fill in for injuries
Jun. 13, 2020 at 4:07 p.m.
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Huge mistake on Mittelstadt. This is another guy a team probably ruined the development on.

If he would have not come in so young and developed I think he's career would have gone a different direction.
As is, coming in at 19 was not the right move.

It's always a risk when players are that young. If he would have been given till 21-22 to develop he's probably a solid NHL player. As of now, it's hard to break that. He needs to find a team that can send him in the AHL for 2 years.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 5:36 p.m.
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I don't see Pilut returning Borgstrom though. Not because Borgstrom is some superstar prospect anymore or anything but because Pilut hasn't done jack to earn this high of valuation yet. He's a 24 now and 25 by the time the NHL restarts the new season, he's an undrafted player whose demanding to be traded or will not play for Buffalo, has not done anything of significance in the NHL to entice someone to take a leap of faith on him and is not widely regarded as top end prospect by anyone other than Buffalo. Borgstrom was at least considered a top end prospect not too long ago.

Buffalo will get a low draft pick or a similar situational type player at best. They have almost zero leverage here. Don't think so? Fine let him rot in the KHL, no one cares. If you are lucky he goes to Russia and lights it up, in that case that changes some things but as of right now or before he gets that chance to do that, not a chance he is as valuable as the valuation above.

The rest of trades seem fine though, if you are ok with them. Don't think sending Risto to divisional rivals is smart though. I'd get him out of the conference if possible but that's just me.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 5:42 p.m.
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I don't see Pilut returning Borgstrom though. Not because Borgstrom is some superstar prospect anymore or anything but because Pilut hasn't done jack to earn this high of valuation yet. He's a 24 now and 25 by the time the NHL restarts the new season, he's an undrafted player whose demanding to be traded or will not play for Buffalo, has not done anything of significance in the NHL to entice someone to take a leap of faith on him and is not widely regarded as top end prospect by anyone other than Buffalo. Borgstrom was at least considered a top end prospect not too long ago.

Buffalo will get a low draft pick or a similar situational type player at best. They have almost zero leverage here. Don't think so? Fine let him rot in the KHL, no one cares. If you are lucky he goes to Russia and lights it up, in that case that changes some things but as of right now or before he gets that chance to do that, not a chance he is as valuable as the valuation above.

The rest of trades seem fine though, if you are ok with them. Don't think sending Risto to divisional rivals is smart though. I'd get him out of the conference if possible but that's just me.


How much has Borgstrom done? Hes considered a bust already, and that Florida destroyed his development. Pilut was fantastic in the A and proved he was nhl ready time and time again, thats why hes done with Botterill. In fact Pilut had the same amount of points as Borgstrom in less games from defense
Jun. 13, 2020 at 6:00 p.m.
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How much has Borgstrom done? Hes considered a bust already, and that Florida destroyed his development. Pilut was fantastic in the A and proved he was nhl ready time and time again, thats why hes done with Botterill. In fact Pilut had the same amount of points as Borgstrom in less games from defense


6'3 22 year old former 1st round centerman vs 5'11 24 year old undrafted dman who has equally done nothing. Yes Borgstrom hasn't done anything but he doesn't have to as much as Pilut would. His resume however short as it is, is far better than Piluts. Both are gambles. I know which has better odds though and that's where the value comes from.

Throw on the fact that he won't play for Buffalo, kills a ton of value he may have. What can Buffalo say if someone isn't willing to pay the price they're asking? "Fine we'll keep him and play him instead"? No but Florida can do that with Borgstrom and he's young enough to be able to still develop into the player he was drafted to be. Buffalo's only bet here is that Pilut lights it up in the KHL.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 6:19 p.m.
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6'3 22 year old former 1st round centerman vs 5'11 24 year old undrafted dman who has equally done nothing. Yes Borgstrom hasn't done anything but he doesn't have to as much as Pilut would. His resume however short as it is, is far better than Piluts. Both are gambles. I know which has better odds though and that's where the value comes from.

Throw on the fact that he won't play for Buffalo, kills a ton of value he may have. What can Buffalo say if someone isn't willing to pay the price they're asking? "Fine we'll keep him and play him instead"? No but Florida can do that with Borgstrom and he's young enough to be able to still develop into the player he was drafted to be. Buffalo's only bet here is that Pilut lights it up in the KHL.


At the AHL, Pilut has done a lot, verifiably, he was an all star this year, Borgstrom has done nothing verifiably, he also plans to go to Russia as well. The risk is equal and the talent favors Pilut
Jun. 13, 2020 at 7:21 p.m.
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Derek Grant played for Buffalo, he isnt a 3rd liner. His PDO was an astronomical 106 with Philly and 103.3 with Anaheim last year. He's a depth player if Philly even chooses to resign him. Morgan Frost is probably best suited to start in the A. Probably the same with Patrick if he comes back. Johansson is a UFA after next year and allows them to do just that. Frost and Patrick both fill in for injuries


I don't think a seven game sample size is really useful for PDO or any other analytics. PDO also isn't really indicative of anything either. Grant played well in the few games he played with Philadelphia. He's sharp around his own end and can make small plays with his stick positioning in all three zones. Frost can start in the AHL, but I doubt he stays down there for the entire year. There isn't enough marginal value for Philadelphia to move Ghost for Johansson.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 7:30 p.m.
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I don't think a seven game sample size is really useful for PDO or any other analytics. PDO also isn't really indicative of anything either. Grant played well in the few games he played with Philadelphia. He's sharp around his own end and can make small plays with his stick positioning in all three zones. Frost can start in the AHL, but I doubt he stays down there for the entire year. There isn't enough marginal value for Philadelphia to move Ghost for Johansson.


Thats why i included his Anaheim PDO which was still high. Johansson would be an immediate improvement at 3C. https://public.tableau.com/shared/7GKWG4CCX?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
Jun. 13, 2020 at 9:03 p.m.
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Thats why i included his Anaheim PDO which was still high. Johansson would be an immediate improvement at 3C. https://public.tableau.com/shared/7GKWG4CCX?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link


I'm not arguing that Johansson is an upgrade on the third line, however, it's a marginal upgrade relative to moving Gostisbehere for him. Grant isn't so much worse that it makes sense to move Gostisbehere for Johansson. I liked Joahnsson when he played with Boston, but it's just not worth it.
Jun. 13, 2020 at 11:55 p.m.
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At the AHL, Pilut has done a lot, verifiably, he was an all star this year, Borgstrom has done nothing verifiably, he also plans to go to Russia as well. The risk is equal and the talent favors Pilut


Since when do players making the AHL all star team something to write home about? Consider the asking price for Charles Hudon, Casey Mittlestadt then....

Anyways by no means am i saying he's a bad player... Simply that his value however can not be defined by an all star appearence in the american league. Players that were drafted highly that are still young on the other hand? That value holds a lot longer.

You cannot deny that the more attractive prospect is Borgstrom by value speak. Pilut hasnt done enough to garner being in that same category that a yet to prove himself Borgstrom has. Hes only 22. Hasn't had the full chance yet and has a pedigree that would indicate that hes worth developing further.

Once again, not saying Pilut is then, by definition, bad. Just hasnt done enough for a team with a prized prospect who hasnt panned out yet should move on. They could easily still trade for him though but if the asking price is Borgstrom, then I doubt they bite.
Jun. 14, 2020 at 2:19 a.m.
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Since when do players making the AHL all star team something to write home about? Consider the asking price for Charles Hudon, Casey Mittlestadt then....

Anyways by no means am i saying he's a bad player... Simply that his value however can not be defined by an all star appearence in the american league. Players that were drafted highly that are still young on the other hand? That value holds a lot longer.

You cannot deny that the more attractive prospect is Borgstrom by value speak. Pilut hasnt done enough to garner being in that same category that a yet to prove himself Borgstrom has. Hes only 22. Hasn't had the full chance yet and has a pedigree that would indicate that hes worth developing further.

Once again, not saying Pilut is then, by definition, bad. Just hasnt done enough for a team with a prized prospect who hasnt panned out yet should move on. They could easily still trade for him though but if the asking price is Borgstrom, then I doubt they bite.


Casey Mittelstadt produced more in the AHL than Borgstrom in less games
 
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