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A lot of losing trades for poile

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Team: 2019-20 Nashville Predators
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        Jun. 15, 2020 at 1:20 a.m.
        #51
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        Quoting: SlickWilly
        Subban contributed a lot to their playstyle being able to **** on the Hawks as much as they did. He played that fast pace hockey that we just couldnt keep up with. Weber played a slower more calculated game, which was easy for the Hawks to get around because they were the all hands team in the west with Kane, Panarin, Hossa. Once Subban comes in, they had no idea how to play around it. The whole game plan changed around him and they just couldnt do anything. I think if they keep Weber, maybe they still beat Chicago, but they dont steamroll them quite as hard and maybe are a little bit more worn out for the rest of the playoffs.


        excellent comment. I agree
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        Jun. 15, 2020 at 7:57 a.m.
        #52
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        Quoting: mhockey91
        Subban struggled his first regular season in Nashville
        but again, he was great in the playoffs. Weber had the better regular season, but where it counted, Subban was better in the playoffs. Was Nashville that much better than Montreal in 2016/17? Idk about that. Nashville had a better defense, a similar forward group, but Price > Rinne. After all, Nashville was the 8th seed. They really turned it on the playoffs.


        Subban had the better playoffs based on what exactly? Weber was essentially perfect for MTL in that playoff series against the rangers, MTL just didn't have it. Lundquist outplayed Price badly, but MTL had no offence. All they had was Radulov that year, and he went from 54 pts to 72 pts just by switching teams.

        It's easy to get caught up in the hype of that Nashville run, but did you honestly watch Weber in the MTL vs NYR series? He had 3 pts in 6 games which pro-rates to 11 pts in 22 games vs Subban's 12 in 22. Additionally, if you had watched the series you would have seen Weber hit 3 posts and Lundquist get lucky with a puck to the head that he couldnt even react to. In the interviews Lundquist was in shock with how hard his shot was.

        Then there was the game where Weber beat the snot out of JT Miller, and while he was in the box serving his fighting penalty the rangers scored like 3 goals while MTL didnt have Weber.

        Weber was a beast all year, in year one he was clearly the better player in my opinion. Subban having a longer playoff run does not mean he was better in playoffs, I don't see how you can make that arguement (seeing as both players were good for their respective teams).

        The optics of Subban in the cup final and then the Weber injury is what turned the trade for a while, but as soon as Weber returned it's been Weber again.

        Weber's contract is miles better than Subban's too which is something many people don't understand or consider. It was one reason I was upset Initially with the trade (look at the term Weber had), but when I looked at the structure of the contract, there was nothing to worry about, it was actually genius.
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        Jun. 15, 2020 at 9:39 a.m.
        #53
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        Quoting: Shanesaw9
        Subban had the better playoffs based on what exactly? Weber was essentially perfect for MTL in that playoff series against the rangers, MTL just didn't have it. Lundquist outplayed Price badly, but MTL had no offence. All they had was Radulov that year, and he went from 54 pts to 72 pts just by switching teams.

        It's easy to get caught up in the hype of that Nashville run, but did you honestly watch Weber in the MTL vs NYR series? He had 3 pts in 6 games which pro-rates to 11 pts in 22 games vs Subban's 12 in 22. Additionally, if you had watched the series you would have seen Weber hit 3 posts and Lundquist get lucky with a puck to the head that he couldnt even react to. In the interviews Lundquist was in shock with how hard his shot was.

        Then there was the game where Weber beat the snot out of JT Miller, and while he was in the box serving his fighting penalty the rangers scored like 3 goals while MTL didnt have Weber.

        Weber was a beast all year, in year one he was clearly the better player in my opinion. Subban having a longer playoff run does not mean he was better in playoffs, I don't see how you can make that arguement (seeing as both players were good for their respective teams).

        The optics of Subban in the cup final and then the Weber injury is what turned the trade for a while, but as soon as Weber returned it's been Weber again.

        Weber's contract is miles better than Subban's too which is something many people don't understand or consider. It was one reason I was upset Initially with the trade (look at the term Weber had), but when I looked at the structure of the contract, there was nothing to worry about, it was actually genius.


        3 post in game #3, holy **** that series he hits a lot of post. Lunqdvist didn’t outplayed Price, both were great, but Zuccarello could score and Pacioretty did nothing. Only Radulov Gallagher Lehkonen Weber Price showed up
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        Jun. 16, 2020 at 7:21 a.m.
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        Turris and Johansen trades are the fruit of his inability to draft quality centers. I mean look at that garbage center group and Duchene is a new addition.

        Fiala for Granlund is hindsight is 20/20. Granlund had done well in Minnesota and Fiala was struggling to find his groove. I'm glad for Fiala.

        Hartman... we probably would've wasted the first round pick anyways but yeah that's just not good asset management then to turn around and trade him for a broken down Simmonds... just bleh.

        Subban for Weber seemed like a win/win for both teams at the time. Subban fit Nashville's desire to go more uptempo playstyle at the time. Now that trade does look like a loser... but the second Subban trade looks like it could be a winner. Davies is a solid prospect and we ended up trading the 2019 2nd for 2 later 2nd round picks and got Afanasyev and Campbell and the 2020 2nd from NJD is gonna be an early 2nd as well.

        Poile does his best work when he's selling: Erat for Forsberg, Legwand for Jarnkrok, Used up Subban for a solid prospect and some picks, etc. He shouldn't be allowed near the phone when we're buying... that's how you get your 1st for Paul Gaustad, 1st for Hartman, etc.
         
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