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Does this trade make us better or worse

Created by: CapFriendlysFinest
Initial Creation Date: Jun 17, 2020
Published: Jun 17 at 2:18
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya1$1,750,000
Dermott, Travis2$2,500,000
Gauthier, Frédérik1$700,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$700,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Bonino, Nick
  2. Ellis, Ryan
Additional Details:
Toronto gets their top 2 defence man they've been looking for to play with Reilly . Bonino comes in and shores up the 3rd line so Spezza can play 4th and PP
NSH
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
Additional Details:
Nashville get top 6 winger in Nylander at a great contract. will play along side Forsberg to make destructive pair. Johnsson comes in and sures up top 9 depth
TOR
  1. Hartman, Ryan
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
  2. 2021 5th round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
MIN
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$81,421,167$0$0$78,833
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,750,000
LW, RW
RFA
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
NSH
Bonino, Nick
$4,100,000
C
UFA - 1
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
$1,900,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
$775,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
NSH
Ellis, Ryan
$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 7
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$2,500,000
LD
RFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jun 17 at 2:19
#1
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Worse, Nylander is 5 years younger and Ellis has 7 more years of contract that pays for what he did in his prime.
Jun 17 at 2:20
#2
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Worse, Nylander is 5 years younger and Ellis has 7 more years of contract that pays for what he did in his prime.


Spot on
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Jun 17 at 2:22
#3
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Worse, Nylander is 5 years younger and Ellis has 7 more years of contract that pays for what he did in his prime.


perfect good to hear my dude
Jun 17 at 2:23
#4
a RATIONAL Leaf Fan
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Kerfoot is way better than Bonino. I’d rather keep the better, cheaper, and younger player
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Jun 17 at 2:26
#5
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Quoting: jslongo
Spot on


It never fails to astound me to see how still at least half of fans learn nothing from past mistakes GM's have made. Give anyone over 30, or about to turn 30 long term and a high cap for what they did in their mid 20's and its almost a certainty that is going to look bad. And then every year Benning in Vancouver will give some 29 year old 6 years and then immediately regret it. Its incredible.
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Jun 17 at 2:27
#6
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Quoting: Mitch1_6
Kerfoot is way better than Bonino. I’d rather keep the better, cheaper, and younger player


Only reason I say Bonino over Kerfoot is the defensive game. Bonino is an excellent face-off guy and his defensive game is miles ahead of Kerfoots. That being said he is younger, cheaper and could be transformed into a defensive centre.
Jun 17 at 2:36
#7
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Edited Jun 17 at 2:56
Quoting: Mitch1_6
Kerfoot is way better than Bonino. I’d rather keep the better, cheaper, and younger player


Being younger and having more term left makes Kerfoot the more valuable asset, but Bonino is still a better player than Kerfoot.
Jun 17 at 2:47
#8
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
It never fails to astound me to see how still at least half of fans learn nothing from past mistakes GM's have made. Give anyone over 30, or about to turn 30 long term and a high cap for what they did in their mid 20's and its almost a certainty that is going to look bad. And then every year Benning in Vancouver will give some 29 year old 6 years and then immediately regret it. Its incredible.


this is what happens when you have an open market though. RFA period lasts too long. they becomes unrestricted free agents too late in their playing careers. They do extremely well through their 20s then at 28/29 they hit free agency. The players would be dumb to take any lowball offers someone wants the top talent for at least 3-4 more years. if they get anything beyond that its gravy.
Jun 17 at 2:49
#9
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I don't mind a variation of Nylander for Ellis but replacing Kerfoot with a more expensive Bonino is a big mistake.
Jun 17 at 2:55
#10
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Quoting: hanson493
this is what happens when you have an open market though. RFA period lasts too long. they becomes unrestricted free agents too late in their playing careers. They do extremely well through their 20s then at 28/29 they hit free agency. The players would be dumb to take any lowball offers someone wants the top talent for at least 3-4 more years. if they get anything beyond that its gravy.


That is the players fault not the markets. The reality is, players should make the most for when they are at their best. Not after they are at their best. If I am a young player leaving my ELC, I am going to want short term deals. That way I can capitalize more on how I am playing rather than keep hoping for a big pay day in the future when my best days are behind me. From a GM's perspective, short term works for them as well because it provides more flexibility. The only time I'd even go long term now is if its an elite player leaving his ELC, get him signed long term to provide cost certainty. Everyone else will have a 3-4 year limit on term. To be honest, I think its the future of the league. Everyone wanting 6-8 year deals just won't happen often. If you can convince a player to sign long term on a cheap deal thinking they could pan out to be much better than their contract that is always an option but its risky. Look at Girard in Colorado, if he turns into a above average top 4 defenceman, that deal is going to be terrific, if he stalls and fits in more as a bottom 6 guy then it really can be a problem. Or if injuries scuttle his career.

I think short term is something that will become the norm. Especially after the Pandemic, long term uncertainty will be a new normal for a while.
Jun 17 at 2:56
#11
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
I don't mind a variation of Nylander for Ellis but replacing Kerfoot with a more expensive Bonino is a big mistake.


Ellis is going to have a bad contract before his deal is up.
Jun 17 at 2:59
#12
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Quoting: Mitch1_6
Kerfoot is way better than Bonino. I’d rather keep the better, cheaper, and younger player


I like Kerfoot... But weren't leafs fans complaining about him as the 3C.... (Bonino is a high end 2C lol)
Jun 17 at 3:00
#13
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Quoting: PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood
Worse, Nylander is 5 years younger and Ellis has 7 more years of contract that pays for what he did in his prime.


Ellis should have been a Norris finalist this year
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Jun 17 at 3:09
#14
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Quoting: AFOX10900
Ellis should have been a Norris finalist this year


He is a good player no doubt but he's injury prone, has played over 70 games 4 of the past 7 seasons, and he's turning 30 soon with 7 years of term at just over 6 million dollars. Two things you can generally assume will happen in a players 30's with a great degree of certainty is a player will become more injury prone and decline. This deal is just a short term fix that may not even make TO better right now since it creates a huge hole upfront.
Jun 17 at 6:35
#15
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Today that trade makes you a more well rounded team but in a year or 2 you'd regret it.
 
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