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Created by: gretzkyghosts
Team: 2019-20 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 18, 2020
Published: Jun. 18, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Why have a $6,000,000 RW on the fourth line.
His goals/min were only exceeded by Jack, Sam, Victor and Jeff.
Only Jack, Victor and Sam had a higher pts/min than he.

Why not put Sam at center between Jeff and Kyle.
Sam is not that fast, and I am sure Sam could have found Jeff breaking out of the defensive zone alone on the GK often enough for Jeff to get his 30 goals.
That could have given the Sabres 2 scoring lines.
Trades
1.
BUF
    CGY
    Miller, Colin
    BUF
    Ryan, Derek
    2021 2nd round pick (CGY)
    CGY
      https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/353545
      2.
      BUF
        CGY
        Eichel, Jack
        BUF
        Monahan, Sean
        2020 1st round pick (CGY)
        2020 1st round pick (ARI)
        2020 1st round pick (VAN)
        CGY
          https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1858820
          3.
          BUF
            MTL
            Ristolainen, Rasmus
            BUF
            Drouin, Jonathan
            2021 1st round pick (MTL)
            2020 2nd round pick (STL)
            MTL
              https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1860024
              4.
              BUF
                TOR
                Ristolainen, Rasmus
                BUF
                Nylander, William
                TOR
                  https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/354441
                  5.
                  BUF
                    TOR
                    2020 4th round pick (BUF)
                    2021 4th round pick (BUF)
                    2022 4th round pick (BUF)
                    BUF
                    Kerfoot, Alexander
                    CAR
                      https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1862120
                      6.
                      BUF
                      1. 2022 7th round pick (ANA)
                      ANA
                      1. 2020 7th round pick (DAL)
                      Additional Details:
                      Steve Bannon to the list of Trump associates and former campaign officials who have been indicted or convicted since he took office, in addition to Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, George Papadapolous, Michael Cohen, and Roger Stone.
                      7.
                      BUF
                        WSH
                        2020 5th round pick (BUF)
                        BUF
                        Dowd, Nic
                        2020 6th round pick (WSH)
                        WSH
                        2021 6th round pick (FLA)
                        FLA
                        Kempný, Michal
                        WSH
                          https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/355946
                          8.
                          BUF
                            TBL
                            Miller, Colin ($1,800,000 retained)
                            BUF
                            2021 2nd round pick (WPG)
                            2021 2nd round pick (NYR)
                            TBL
                              https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/344248
                              9.
                              BUF
                                VAN
                                Miller, Colin
                                BUF
                                Virtanen, Jake [RFA Rights]
                                Roussel, Antoine
                                VAN
                                  https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/342091
                                  10.
                                  BUF
                                    future
                                    WSH
                                      Let me close, Kempný would great as the Sabres' third LHD
                                      Jensen would be a great but over paid 7th defenseman.
                                      Dowd would upgrade Buffalo's PK
                                      While this is not the trade that makes a Buffalo a Cup team, if would bring them closer.
                                      But maybe Buffalo management my view it differently.
                                      11.
                                      BUF
                                        PIT
                                        Ristolainen, Rasmus
                                        2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
                                        BUF
                                        McCann, Jared
                                        Johnson, Jack
                                        2022 1st round pick (PIT)
                                        2020 3rd round pick (PIT)
                                        PIT
                                          https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/360090
                                          12.
                                          BUF
                                            NYR
                                            2020 1st round pick (BUF)
                                            BUF
                                            Strome, Ryan [RFA Rights]
                                            Andersson, Lias [RFA Rights]
                                            Georgiev, Alexandar
                                            2020 1st round pick (CAR)
                                            2022 2nd round pick (NYR)

                                            That is a huge over payment for the 8th over all pick.
                                            If Gorton offered that to Adams, Kevyn would be a fool to turn it down
                                            8th OA ~ two 22nd over all
                                            So essentially all of this Strome, Ryan [RFA Rights] + Andersson, Lias [RFA Rights] + Georgiev, Alexandar + 2022 2nd round pick (NYR) for CAR 2020 first round pick
                                            I was hoping there would be Sabre AGM crying how they would never trade the 8th OA.
                                            NYR
                                              https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/361075
                                              13.
                                              CGY
                                              1. 2021 6th round pick (BUF)
                                              2. 2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
                                              Additional Details:
                                              https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/361065
                                              14.
                                              BUF
                                                PIT
                                                Miller, Colin ($875,000 retained)
                                                BUF
                                                McCann, Jared [RFA Rights]
                                                PIT
                                                  https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/360846
                                                  15.
                                                  BUF
                                                    NYR
                                                    2020 7th round pick (BUF)
                                                    BUF
                                                    Smith, Brendan
                                                    Howden, Brett
                                                    2020 3rd round pick (FLA)
                                                    2021 3rd round pick (BUF)
                                                    NYR
                                                      https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1897060
                                                      16.
                                                      BUF
                                                        CGY
                                                        2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
                                                        BUF
                                                        Ryan, Derek
                                                        CGY
                                                          https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1897079
                                                          17.
                                                          BUF
                                                            NYR
                                                            2020 2nd round pick (BUF)
                                                            BUF
                                                            Smith, Brendan
                                                            Howden, Brett
                                                            Georgiev, Alexandar [RFA Rights]
                                                            2020 3rd round pick (NYR)
                                                            2021 4th round pick (OTT)
                                                            NYR
                                                              https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1902754
                                                              18.
                                                              BUF
                                                                future
                                                                EDM
                                                                  Buffalo fan here.
                                                                  I see you are giving about equal value to the Jack and Connor.
                                                                  Montour v Kassian close call. Let's call it equal.
                                                                  Buffalo first is equal to Edmonton first plus 35th OA
                                                                  Lagesson well I do not see him being an NHL player anytime soon.
                                                                  IMO Buffalo would need to add because the trade as you have written is Jack, Brandon Buffulo 2020 2nd for Connor and Zack.
                                                                  It would be interesting to see how each performed with the other's supporting cast.
                                                                  Maybe with Leon, Ryan et. al. Jack would out score Connor playing with Sam and Victor.
                                                                  19.
                                                                  BUF
                                                                    VAN
                                                                    Montour, Brandon [RFA Rights]
                                                                    BUF
                                                                    Virtanen, Jake [RFA Rights]
                                                                    Beagle, Jay
                                                                    2020 2nd round pick (DAL)
                                                                    VAN
                                                                      https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/363052
                                                                      20.
                                                                      BUF
                                                                        VAN
                                                                        Montour, Brandon [RFA Rights]
                                                                        BUF
                                                                        Virtanen, Jake [RFA Rights]
                                                                        Stecher, Troy [RFA Rights]
                                                                        2021 3rd round pick (OTT)
                                                                        MTL
                                                                          https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/368094
                                                                          21.
                                                                          BUF
                                                                            Look at the Lindros trade 1992-Jun-30 if you wish to know his value.
                                                                            Chris Simon, LW 25th OA pick 1990 782 gms 305 pts 1924 PIM
                                                                            Mike Ricci, center 4th OA pick 1990 1099 gms 605 pts
                                                                            Kerry Huffman, LD 20th OA pick 1986 782 gms 305 pts
                                                                            Ron Hextall, GK not much value at the time
                                                                            Peter Forsberg, center 6th OA 1991 hall of fame 708 gms 885 pts
                                                                            Steve Duchesne, LD undrafted hall of fame 1113 gms 752 pts
                                                                            future considerations,
                                                                            round 1 pick in the 1993 draft, Jocelyn Thibault traded for Patrick Roy
                                                                            round 1 pick in the 1994 draft Nolan Baumgartner
                                                                            and cash
                                                                            BOS
                                                                            22.
                                                                            BUF
                                                                              BUF
                                                                              Bean, Jake
                                                                              CAR
                                                                              Thompson, Tage [RFA Rights]
                                                                              2020 5th round pick (BUF)

                                                                              BUF
                                                                              Seguin, Tyler
                                                                              DAL
                                                                              Mittelstadt, Casey [RFA Rights]
                                                                              2020 1st round pick (BUF)
                                                                              2021 2nd round pick (BUF)
                                                                              ANA
                                                                                BUF
                                                                                Murray, Matt [RFA Rights]
                                                                                Simon, Dominik [RFA Rights]
                                                                                PIT
                                                                                Ristolainen, Rasmus

                                                                                https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/369926
                                                                                23.
                                                                                BUF
                                                                                  VAN
                                                                                  Montour, Brandon [RFA Rights]
                                                                                  BUF
                                                                                  Virtanen, Jake [RFA Rights]
                                                                                  Lind, Kole
                                                                                  NJD
                                                                                    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/371863
                                                                                    24.
                                                                                    BUF
                                                                                      CGY
                                                                                      Myers, Philippe [RFA Rights]
                                                                                      Frost, Morgan
                                                                                      2020 2nd round pick (PHI)
                                                                                      2021 1st round pick (PHI)
                                                                                      PHI
                                                                                      Gaudreau, Johnny
                                                                                      Philp, Luke
                                                                                      CGY
                                                                                        https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/372747
                                                                                        CGY
                                                                                        Ristolainen, Rasmus ($650,000 retained)
                                                                                        BUF
                                                                                        Jankowski, Mark [RFA Rights]
                                                                                        Ryan, Derek
                                                                                        2020 2nd round pick (CGY)
                                                                                        2020 6th round pick (CGY)
                                                                                        25.
                                                                                        BUF
                                                                                          NJD
                                                                                          Ristolainen, Rasmus
                                                                                          BUF
                                                                                          Zacha, Pavel
                                                                                          Wood, Miles
                                                                                          Butcher, Will
                                                                                          Carrick, Connor
                                                                                          NJD
                                                                                            https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/372461
                                                                                            26.
                                                                                            BUF
                                                                                              COL
                                                                                              Eichel, Jack
                                                                                              Asplund, Rasmus
                                                                                              BUF
                                                                                              Kadri, Nazem
                                                                                              Burakovsky, André
                                                                                              Byram, Bowen
                                                                                              Newhook, Alex [Reserve List]
                                                                                              2020 1st round pick (COL)
                                                                                              2021 1st round pick (COL)
                                                                                              2022 2nd round pick (COL)
                                                                                              COL
                                                                                                https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1960950
                                                                                                27.
                                                                                                BUF
                                                                                                  CBJ
                                                                                                  2020 2nd round pick (BUF)
                                                                                                  BUF
                                                                                                  Jenner, Boone
                                                                                                  CBJ
                                                                                                    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1942135
                                                                                                    28.
                                                                                                    BUF
                                                                                                      NJD
                                                                                                      2020 7th round pick (DAL)
                                                                                                      BUF
                                                                                                      Zajac, Travis ($2,000,000 retained)
                                                                                                      NJD
                                                                                                        https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/375406
                                                                                                        29.
                                                                                                        BUF
                                                                                                          NYR
                                                                                                          Eichel, Jack
                                                                                                          BUF
                                                                                                          Strome, Ryan [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                          Deangelo, Anthony [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                          Georgiev, Alexandar [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                          2020 1st round pick (NYR)
                                                                                                          2020 1st round pick (CAR)
                                                                                                          2021 1st round pick (NYR)
                                                                                                          NYR
                                                                                                            https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/375687
                                                                                                            30.
                                                                                                            BUF
                                                                                                              CGY
                                                                                                              Eichel, Jack
                                                                                                              BUF
                                                                                                              Monahan, Sean
                                                                                                              Pelletier, Jakob
                                                                                                              Gaudreau, Johnny
                                                                                                              2020 1st round pick (CGY)
                                                                                                              2021 1st round pick (CGY)
                                                                                                              2022 1st round pick (CGY)
                                                                                                              CGY
                                                                                                                https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1976782
                                                                                                                31.
                                                                                                                BUF
                                                                                                                  COL
                                                                                                                  Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                                  BUF
                                                                                                                  Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                                  Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                                  2021 1st round pick (COL)
                                                                                                                  2022 2nd round pick (COL)
                                                                                                                  COL
                                                                                                                    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/377142
                                                                                                                    32.
                                                                                                                    BUF
                                                                                                                      TOR
                                                                                                                      Ristolainen, Rasmus
                                                                                                                      BUF
                                                                                                                      Johnsson, Andreas
                                                                                                                      Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                                      2021 2nd round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                                      TOR
                                                                                                                        https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/380640
                                                                                                                        33.
                                                                                                                        BUF
                                                                                                                          CGY
                                                                                                                          2021 7th round pick (BUF)
                                                                                                                          BUF
                                                                                                                          Ryan, Derek
                                                                                                                          CGY
                                                                                                                            https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2012829
                                                                                                                            34.
                                                                                                                            BUF
                                                                                                                              VAN
                                                                                                                              2021 7th round pick (BUF)
                                                                                                                              BUF
                                                                                                                              Virtanen, Jake [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                                              Beagle, Jay
                                                                                                                              2021 3rd round pick (VAN)
                                                                                                                              VAN
                                                                                                                                https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2009312
                                                                                                                                35.
                                                                                                                                BUF
                                                                                                                                  VGK
                                                                                                                                  Hutton, Carter
                                                                                                                                  Miller, Colin
                                                                                                                                  BUF
                                                                                                                                  2021 2nd round pick (NJD)
                                                                                                                                  VGK
                                                                                                                                    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/383539
                                                                                                                                    36.
                                                                                                                                    BUF
                                                                                                                                      MTL
                                                                                                                                      Mittelstadt, Casey [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                                                      2023 6th round pick
                                                                                                                                      BUF
                                                                                                                                      Lehkonen, Artturi
                                                                                                                                      Mete, Victor
                                                                                                                                      2021 4th round pick
                                                                                                                                      MTL
                                                                                                                                        https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2046683
                                                                                                                                        37.
                                                                                                                                        BUF
                                                                                                                                          Ristolainen for Derek Ryan, David Ritchie and 2022 first
                                                                                                                                          CGY
                                                                                                                                            https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/386164
                                                                                                                                            38.
                                                                                                                                            BUF
                                                                                                                                              BUF
                                                                                                                                              Emilio Pettersen, Mathias
                                                                                                                                              Rittich, David
                                                                                                                                              Ryan, Derek
                                                                                                                                              2021 3rd round pick (EDM)
                                                                                                                                              CGY
                                                                                                                                              Thompson, Tage
                                                                                                                                              CGY
                                                                                                                                                https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/386005?post_id=1894444
                                                                                                                                                39.
                                                                                                                                                BUF
                                                                                                                                                  NJD
                                                                                                                                                  Montour, Brandon
                                                                                                                                                  BUF
                                                                                                                                                  Butcher, Will
                                                                                                                                                  NJD
                                                                                                                                                    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/387751
                                                                                                                                                    40.
                                                                                                                                                    BUF
                                                                                                                                                      CHI
                                                                                                                                                      Miller, Colin
                                                                                                                                                      BUF
                                                                                                                                                      Shaw, Andrew
                                                                                                                                                      Carlsson, Lucas
                                                                                                                                                      Highmore, Matthew
                                                                                                                                                      2023 2nd round pick (CHI)
                                                                                                                                                      CHI
                                                                                                                                                        https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/387647
                                                                                                                                                        41.
                                                                                                                                                        BUF
                                                                                                                                                          VGK
                                                                                                                                                          Pilut, Lawrence [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                                                                          2021 6th round pick (BUF)
                                                                                                                                                          BUF
                                                                                                                                                          Holden, Nick
                                                                                                                                                          VGK
                                                                                                                                                            https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/387606
                                                                                                                                                            42.
                                                                                                                                                            BUF
                                                                                                                                                              NSH
                                                                                                                                                              Hutton, Carter
                                                                                                                                                              Eakin, Cody
                                                                                                                                                              Pilut, Lawrence [RFA Rights]
                                                                                                                                                              BUF
                                                                                                                                                              Rinne, Pekka
                                                                                                                                                              Tinordi, Jarred
                                                                                                                                                              McCarron, Michael
                                                                                                                                                              NSH
                                                                                                                                                                https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/388328
                                                                                                                                                                43.
                                                                                                                                                                BUF
                                                                                                                                                                  TBL
                                                                                                                                                                  Montour, Brandon
                                                                                                                                                                  BUF
                                                                                                                                                                  Paquette, Cédric
                                                                                                                                                                  Killorn, Alex
                                                                                                                                                                  Coburn, Braydon
                                                                                                                                                                  TBL
                                                                                                                                                                    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2072293
                                                                                                                                                                    44.
                                                                                                                                                                    BUF
                                                                                                                                                                      MTL
                                                                                                                                                                      2021 2nd round pick (BUF)
                                                                                                                                                                      BUF
                                                                                                                                                                      Drouin, Jonathan
                                                                                                                                                                      MTL
                                                                                                                                                                        https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2071205
                                                                                                                                                                        45.
                                                                                                                                                                        BUF
                                                                                                                                                                          VAN
                                                                                                                                                                          Montour, Brandon
                                                                                                                                                                          BUF
                                                                                                                                                                          Rafferty, Brogan
                                                                                                                                                                          Benn, Jordie
                                                                                                                                                                          2021 2nd round pick (VAN)
                                                                                                                                                                          2021 5th round pick (VAN)
                                                                                                                                                                          2021 6th round pick (VAN)
                                                                                                                                                                          VAN
                                                                                                                                                                            https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/389918
                                                                                                                                                                            46.
                                                                                                                                                                            BUF
                                                                                                                                                                              TOR
                                                                                                                                                                              Thompson, Tage
                                                                                                                                                                              BUF
                                                                                                                                                                              Dermott, Travis
                                                                                                                                                                              Engvall, Pierre
                                                                                                                                                                              2021 4th round pick (TOR)
                                                                                                                                                                              TOR
                                                                                                                                                                                https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/396599
                                                                                                                                                                                47.
                                                                                                                                                                                BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                  EDM
                                                                                                                                                                                  Eichel, Jack
                                                                                                                                                                                  BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                  Nurse, Darnell
                                                                                                                                                                                  Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan
                                                                                                                                                                                  Lavoie, Raphael
                                                                                                                                                                                  Samorukov, Dmitri
                                                                                                                                                                                  2021 1st round pick (EDM)
                                                                                                                                                                                  2022 1st round pick (EDM)
                                                                                                                                                                                  2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
                                                                                                                                                                                  2022 3rd round pick (EDM)
                                                                                                                                                                                  EDM
                                                                                                                                                                                    https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/397602
                                                                                                                                                                                    48.
                                                                                                                                                                                    BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Deangelo, Anthony
                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Georgiev, Alexandar
                                                                                                                                                                                    3. Jones, Zachary [Reserve List]
                                                                                                                                                                                    4. Kravtsov, Vitali
                                                                                                                                                                                    5. Kreider, Chris
                                                                                                                                                                                    6. Pajuniemi, Lauri [Reserve List]
                                                                                                                                                                                    7. Schneider, Braden [Reserve List]
                                                                                                                                                                                    8. Trouba, Jacob
                                                                                                                                                                                    9. Zibanejad, Mika
                                                                                                                                                                                    10. 2020 1st round pick (NYR)
                                                                                                                                                                                    11. 2021 1st round pick (NYR)
                                                                                                                                                                                    12. 2022 1st round pick (NYR)
                                                                                                                                                                                    13. 2022 2nd round pick (NYR)
                                                                                                                                                                                    Additional Details:
                                                                                                                                                                                    https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2201748
                                                                                                                                                                                    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
                                                                                                                                                                                    2020
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the NYR
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    2021
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the NYR
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    2022
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the NYR
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the NYR
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the BUF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the ANA
                                                                                                                                                                                    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
                                                                                                                                                                                    29$81,500,000$77,228,333$0$7,665,000$4,271,667
                                                                                                                                                                                    Left WingCentreRight Wing
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $767,500$767,500 (Performance Bonus$132,500$132K)
                                                                                                                                                                                    RW, LW
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $2,275,000$2,275,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    RW, LW
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $4,500,000$4,500,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    LW, RW
                                                                                                                                                                                    M-NTC
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 2
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $3,650,000$3,650,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    RW
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $1,550,000$1,550,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    C, LW
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $6,000,000$6,000,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    RW
                                                                                                                                                                                    M-NTC
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 4
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $4,300,000$4,300,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    LW, RW
                                                                                                                                                                                    M-NTC
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $1,600,000$1,600,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    LW, C
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $700,000$700,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    RW, C
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
                                                                                                                                                                                    LW, RW, C
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Calgary Flames
                                                                                                                                                                                    $3,125,000$3,125,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    C, RW
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 2
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                                                                                                                                                    $2,500,000$2,500,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    RW, LW
                                                                                                                                                                                    M-NTC
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the New York Rangers
                                                                                                                                                                                    $4,625,000$4,625,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    LW
                                                                                                                                                                                    M-NTC
                                                                                                                                                                                    UFA - 1
                                                                                                                                                                                    Logo of the New York Rangers
                                                                                                                                                                                    $5,350,000$5,350,000
                                                                                                                                                                                    C
                                                                                                                                                                                    NMC
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Jun. 18, 2020 at 4:12 p.m.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Umm. Sam sucks at center? Where have you been the past 3 seasons?
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                                                                                                                                                                                    because hes not a good center. We're questioning if he's even a decent top line winger. I do agree giving Okposo more of a shot but Krueger was towards the end of the year
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: Toochy
                                                                                                                                                                                    Umm. Sam sucks at center? Where have you been the past 3 seasons?


                                                                                                                                                                                    The last time Sam played center his line mates were Girgenson and Seth Griffith.. I wish he got a real shot with more skilled players.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: Sabres923
                                                                                                                                                                                    The last time Sam played center his line mates were Girgenson and Seth Griffith.. I wish he got a real shot with more skilled players.


                                                                                                                                                                                    He has great chemistry with Jack. Due to playing specifically with Jack, Sam's game is greatly elevated. I don't think Sam can do the same for Jeff or especially Ox. Sam is a good player, but isn't elite.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    35% faceoff win rate?
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: CD282
                                                                                                                                                                                    35% faceoff win rate?


                                                                                                                                                                                    Eichel sucks at face offs too.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: Sabres923
                                                                                                                                                                                    Eichel sucks at face offs too.


                                                                                                                                                                                    He's not that bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                    https://puckbase.com/stats/faceoff-percentage?team=BUF
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Okposo has very good chemistry with Girgensons and Larsson, the LOG line, hence why Kruger didn't move him off that line. The LOG line was almost always our best line
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                                                                                                                                                                                    First of all thank you for your great comments.
                                                                                                                                                                                    All good points, and all worth taking into consideration.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I know I will get lambasted for this, but Vesey and Jack and Even are friends.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Jimmy and Jack often work out together.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have to believe that when we traded for Jimmy, he was to be one of Jacks wingers.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Jack can make any one score, so instead of having only 9 goals, he would have had more than his NHL career average playing with Jack.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: Shibbal18
                                                                                                                                                                                    because hes not a good center. We're questioning if he's even a decent top line winger. I do agree giving Okposo more of a shot but Krueger was towards the end of the year

                                                                                                                                                                                    Well we agree again. I noticed that you have traded him in several of your posts. If we could get back what you propose, I take it and try to sign a UFA.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have posted before, I think Galchenyuk has many more 20 goal seasons left on his stick.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Playing with Jack has greatly inflated Sam's value from $5,000,000 to over $7,000,000.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Kyle as Sam's wing man could have worked out really well, as neither have great speed and Kyle could work the corners, get the puck to Sam and Sam sends Jeff down the ice one on one against the GK.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I can see I am in a minority here, but he was drafted as a center, he has really good vision, he passes well, IMO he should have at been tried as our #2 center.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have Johansson between Dom and Curtis, at the beginning of the season it could have been Conner and Evan.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Why was Sobotka even in the line up and Evan sitting?
                                                                                                                                                                                    Why did Krueger hold Jeff back and not give him more ice time (my gosh his toi was fifth, just above LARSSON) and better line mates?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    The last time Sam played center his line mates were Girgenson and Seth Griffith.. I wish he got a real shot with more skilled players.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Yup, I agree.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Jeff, and Kyle

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                                                                                                                                                                                    35% faceoff win rate?

                                                                                                                                                                                    Yup that really was bad, Tyler Ennis did better than that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    He has great chemistry with Jack. Due to playing specifically with Jack, Sam's game is greatly elevated. I don't think Sam can do the same for Jeff or especially Ox. Sam is a good player, but isn't elite.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Yup, and I said above, we made him a $7,000,000 player, and I do not think he should get that much.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: CD282
                                                                                                                                                                                    35% faceoff win rate?


                                                                                                                                                                                    And lack of defensive play
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: gretzkyghosts
                                                                                                                                                                                    First of all thank you for your great comments.
                                                                                                                                                                                    All good points, and all worth taking into consideration.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I know I will get lambasted for this, but Vesey and Jack and Even are friends.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Jimmy and Jack often work out together.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have to believe that when we traded for Jimmy, he was to be one of Jacks wingers.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Jack can make any one score, so instead of having only 9 goals, he would have had more than his NHL career average playing with Jack.


                                                                                                                                                                                    https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/jimmy-vesey
                                                                                                                                                                                    Vesey played the majority of the 3rd quarter with Jack and Sam when Olofsson was hurt and had 6 points in 18 games.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: Shibbal18
                                                                                                                                                                                    https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/jimmy-vesey
                                                                                                                                                                                    Vesey played the majority of the 3rd quarter with Jack and Sam when Olofsson was hurt and had 6 points in 18 games.


                                                                                                                                                                                    Didn't he have very good defensive metrics though?
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Well we agree again. I noticed that you have traded him in several of your posts. If we could get back what you propose, I take it and try to sign a UFA.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have posted before, I think Galchenyuk has many more 20 goal seasons left on his stick.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Playing with Jack has greatly inflated Sam's value from $5,000,000 to over $7,000,000.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Kyle as Sam's wing man could have worked out really well, as neither have great speed and Kyle could work the corners, get the puck to Sam and Sam sends Jeff down the ice one on one against the GK.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I can see I am in a minority here, but he was drafted as a center, he has really good vision, he passes well, IMO he should have at been tried as our #2 center.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have Johansson between Dom and Curtis, at the beginning of the season it could have been Conner and Evan.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Why was Sobotka even in the line up and Evan sitting?
                                                                                                                                                                                    Why did Krueger hold Jeff back and not give him more ice time (my gosh his toi was fifth, just above LARSSON) and better line mates?

                                                                                                                                                                                    Sobotka Johansson and Skinner started well. Sobotka's PDO was through the roof though. Rodrigues also looked terrible in the preseason. Theyre both gone and thats a positive
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: CD282
                                                                                                                                                                                    Didn't he have very good defensive metrics though?


                                                                                                                                                                                    I dont have a quarterly breakdown, but on the season he was very average. The only striking positive I see is his defensive point shares at 1.5
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: Shibbal18
                                                                                                                                                                                    https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/jimmy-vesey
                                                                                                                                                                                    Vesey played the majority of the 3rd quarter with Jack and Sam when Olofsson was hurt and had 6 points in 18 games.


                                                                                                                                                                                    I love Dobbersports.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Unfortunately that only indicates that he played the most with Jack and Sam, it could have been as little as 36% with the Johansson/Sheary and Johansson/Lazar at 32% each.
                                                                                                                                                                                    While that is unlikely, he did get 4 goals during that 18 game stretch, which if my math is correct would be his average per year in his 3 previous years.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Even more to the point, if you look at the middle 2 quarters when he actually is playing with decent line mates he recorded 9 goals and 17 pts in 41 games, which again is close to his yearly avg.
                                                                                                                                                                                    My son and brother have different reasons but they finally convinced me that Krueger was the main problem with the team.
                                                                                                                                                                                    My brother objected to Krueger's non-retaliation style, while my son objected to his terrible line combinations.
                                                                                                                                                                                    IMO it is obvious from the data you presented to me, that my son is correct, and the line-up I suggested here was close to Botterill's vision.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I did not mention this in the discussion but I questioned when management was aware that Hutton had vision problems.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I examined Hutton's 12 game losing streak, and it is obvious management was aware of Hutton's vision difficulties as Ullmark started 29 games and Hutton only 10.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Ullmark was not particularly outstanding as he was only 14-12-3 with a very mild .913 SV%, but that would would have ranked him with Greiss and Binnington last year.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Change the 0-8-4 to 4-4-4 (or 5-3-4) and the Sabres are in the playoff hunt and certainly in the preliminaries.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I am also critical of who was coaching the PK and PP?
                                                                                                                                                                                    I could see the PP problems as nearly everyone would stand around and watch Jack with the puck, very easy to defend.
                                                                                                                                                                                    The PK was more nuanced as it appeared the team would maintain the box throughout the PK, but they never seemed to pressure the puck carrier.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Finally, to your point, why inflate Reinhart's status?
                                                                                                                                                                                    Will he be trade bait?
                                                                                                                                                                                    Are we going to move him for center?
                                                                                                                                                                                    Is Sam to Jack Eichel as "Jonathan Cheechoo" was to Joe Thornton?
                                                                                                                                                                                    He appears to be a great team mate, but is that enough?
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: gretzkyghosts
                                                                                                                                                                                    I love Dobbersports.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Unfortunately that only indicates that he played the most with Jack and Sam, it could have been as little as 36% with the Johansson/Sheary and Johansson/Lazar at 32% each.
                                                                                                                                                                                    While that is unlikely, he did get 4 goals during that 18 game stretch, which if my math is correct would be his average per year in his 3 previous years.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Even more to the point, if you look at the middle 2 quarters when he actually is playing with decent line mates he recorded 9 goals and 17 pts in 41 games, which again is close to his yearly avg.
                                                                                                                                                                                    My son and brother have different reasons but they finally convinced me that Krueger was the main problem with the team.
                                                                                                                                                                                    My brother objected to Krueger's non-retaliation style, while my son objected to his terrible line combinations.
                                                                                                                                                                                    IMO it is obvious from the data you presented to me, that my son is correct, and the line-up I suggested here was close to Botterill's vision.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I did not mention this in the discussion but I questioned when management was aware that Hutton had vision problems.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I examined Hutton's 12 game losing streak, and it is obvious management was aware of Hutton's vision difficulties as Ullmark started 29 games and Hutton only 10.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Ullmark was not particularly outstanding as he was only 14-15 with a very mild .913 SV%, but that would would have ranked him with Greiss and Binnington last year.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Change the 0-8-4 to 4-4-4 and the Sabres are in the playoff hunt and certainly in the preliminaries.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I am also critical of who was coaching the PK and PP?
                                                                                                                                                                                    I could see the PP problems as nearly everyone would stand around and watch Jack with the puck, very easy to defend.
                                                                                                                                                                                    The PK was more nuanced as it appeared the team would maintain the box throughout the PK, but they never seemed to pressure the puck carrier.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Finally, to your point, why inflate Reinhart's status?
                                                                                                                                                                                    Will he be trade bait?
                                                                                                                                                                                    Are we going to move him for center?
                                                                                                                                                                                    Is Sam to Jack Eichel as "Jonathan Cheechoo" was to Joe Thornton?
                                                                                                                                                                                    He appears to be a great team mate, but is that enough?


                                                                                                                                                                                    I highly disagree that Krueger is the problem. He's one of the few bright spots in this franchise. Vesey was less than average analytically: https://public.tableau.com/shared/5S7ZQ45BG?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y
                                                                                                                                                                                    Hutton was terrible, thats why Ullmark started 29 games, he was their starter, that doesnt prove they knew anything. They also planned on Ullmark taking the starter role this year anyway. So thats not strange at all. Don Granato and Steve Smith coached the special teams. Their PK was terrible, their PP was subpar. I dont think I am inflating Reinhart's status, I constantly talk about how he's reliant on Jack. But he currently is a 60 point player and needs to be traded at that value. its up to the other 30 teams to decide how they feel about him. Theirs other good centers in the league to pair him with so its not like people will rely on him to carry their team. If youre talking about contract, theirs no way he signs for under 7 mill with out going to arbitration and and arbiter is going to give him a short expensive contract. I would like to trade him, because they can pick up wingers, but Reinhart should bring in a couple decent pieces that can help immediately and down the road.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    Quoting: Shibbal18
                                                                                                                                                                                    I highly disagree that Krueger is the problem. He's one of the few bright spots in this franchise. Vesey was less than average analytically: https://public.tableau.com/shared/5S7ZQ45BG?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y
                                                                                                                                                                                    Hutton was terrible, thats why Ullmark started 29 games, he was their starter, that doesnt prove they knew anything. They also planned on Ullmark taking the starter role this year anyway. So thats not strange at all. Don Granato and Steve Smith coached the special teams. Their PK was terrible, their PP was subpar. I dont think I am inflating Reinhart's status, I constantly talk about how he's reliant on Jack. But he currently is a 60 point player and needs to be traded at that value. its up to the other 30 teams to decide how they feel about him. Theirs other good centers in the league to pair him with so its not like people will rely on him to carry their team. If youre talking about contract, theirs no way he signs for under 7 mill with out going to arbitration and and arbiter is going to give him a short expensive contract. I would like to trade him, because they can pick up wingers, but Reinhart should bring in a couple decent pieces that can help immediately and down the road.


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                                                                                                                                                                                    @asauer1122 I think that will be the line up for the last 8 or 9 games.
                                                                                                                                                                                    As to the trades:
                                                                                                                                                                                    Butcher to Pittsburgh, they could use LHD and need help with their PP
                                                                                                                                                                                    Hagg to NYI, they need LHD
                                                                                                                                                                                    Caggiula to WIN, they have the worse PK in the league, Drake is the reason Buffalo has one of the best PK's.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Hinostroza to any team looking for a quality character player who can play hockey.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Anderson any number of teams, the bidding may be high as he is cheap and playing really well.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Miller is having a career year who if he keeps this up, who knows what the return will be, to Colorado they have ONE RHD
                                                                                                                                                                                    I will let every one guess what will be the return.
                                                                                                                                                                                    After all last year we got a second for Hall and third for Montour (7pts in 13 games for FLA, just about what Miller has).
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