Montour is not good defensively. Kappy is only a third liner cause the Leafs are stacked on the right. I think Buffalo would have to add a pick for the value to be right. But then as others have stated I think Toronto can do better for Kappy

is fine... and totally reasonable

however, i have no doubt that a team will take the bait. (i also think iaffalo is far more unlikely to fall as hard as coleman did, because he has always been better)

but with that said, the debate is more about you declining the trade than claiming him to not be a top 6 forward.

As of now, he 100% is and will be sold at the value of a top 6 forward.

Top 10*** and we've already been over this, you don't know that and can't prove it because they've never separated.

he will still be sold on where he is currently, not where he might be upon a trade

Same to you, king

mate, coming from a neutral perspective i think u are getting pretty heated... maybe close down the program and come back later when u have a chance to cool down.

Even better top 10 and i can agree on that, so hes going to demand time with Eichel to get us 50 points for 3 seasons before regressing. Hard pass

Ah great. Welcome to the overrated Kapanen thread... Just the kind of person I needed input from, a Stars and Hurricanes fan......

Ok, I'm back.

I'm not getting involved in the rest of this garbage, but Quick has some quality hockey left in him.

From January 1 to March 11 when the season was paused, he had a 2.27 GAA and a .923 SV% and flat out stole several games for the Kings. He's a key reason why the Kings were on that 7 game win streak before the hiatus. His overall season numbers look pedestrian because he admittedly had a horrendous October and November. His December was pretty good though.

I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Or just Skinner/Olofsson.

I agree someone will. As a Sabres fan that has been burned multiple, multiple times in trades like this, I dont want to see it again

Don’t preach reasonableness when you said kapanen only gets a mid-late second everyone on both sides of this looks unreasonable.

like, look at this, straight to some sort of insult. But dont worry, he's not mad, he is in fact laughing!
A friggen Kings fan trying to team shame someone, that's amazing.

very few people underrate him these days. he's not and will never be a top line player, he will not likely be a 4th line player ever either.

i think he's an above average 3rd liner, but would make for a fairly weak 2nd line. Leaf fans already seem to think he's a 2nd liner. I see him more as the product of good linemates... he would drop off on BUF, even if he got more ice time. This isn't the type of guy that drives the play every night.

Anything over a 35 place pick is FAR too much for Kapanen, and even then that price is steep. I legitimately think Montour falls above him, and only had a bad year because of being on BUF. Trade value is often based on two years of play, not 1.

I would, a 7 game stretch is nothing. Crappy players go on 7-10 game stretches all the time where they look very good. He's been very poor the bulk of 2 seasons and him recovering any sort of starter look would be more miracle than anything.

What garbage and/or who is garbage?

Didn’t see all these other comments before posting. I’d feel bad about it but you’re kinda a **** so I’ll just go on with my day with no regrets 👍✌️

finally some insight....

but careful mate, these leaf fans seem to think us canucks fans opinions are invalid xD

There's a free like.

Did anyone happen to catch Matthew Barnaby on his podcast Unfiltered? He fleeced the Sabres management, and specifically, ownership, so hard. Amazing!

because that is more than reasonable... anyone who is not a leafs fan knows that's all he is worth.

(if i said mid-late that was a mistake... i meant high - mid, but still, he is in the 2nd round pick range. I'd say his max value is 35th spot)

Ad hominem attacks are garbage, no matter who they came from. Attack the idea, not the person.

I'm happy to talk hockey and rebut ideas (hence my post), but I'm not getting involved in the name calling.

I gave you the stat. 9th best 5v5 Ga. do with it what you will. Buf D isn’t the problem. PK and lack of secondary scoring is

except, that like i said he's played at a 2nd line level, why does Kapanen get crapped on because his team but Montour gets to rise above his? Older soon to be UFA guys coming off bad seasons are worth significantly less than young guys with term coming off decent seasons where they produce at a high 2nd liner level while playing with guys like Kerfoot, Engvall and worse for large stretches of the year.
And if Kapanen gets 2 years of play, then he also gets the previous season where h is a 20 goal scorer with decent defensive numbers, and the fact that he can play both the power play and the PK as a very good counter attacker.
He is hilariously under rated here as seen by the fact that apparently he's at best a 'fringe' 2nd pairing guy. and has less value than a guy who was the 5th best defender at best on the buffalo friggen sabres