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another year in the lottery

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Team: 2020-21 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 23, 2020
Published: Jun. 23, 2020
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2020 Summer Devils make some moves to make the team better moving forward but most likely not in 20/21

Palmieri is a trade that the devils and fanbase dont want to do, but they cant avoid the package boston sends back. Kase has team control still and bjork has a ton of talent but and will get more of a shot on the devils. The seconds also make the deal even sweeter.

As mentioned below, Fitz mentioned wanting size on the backline. Adding Risto would do that however his analytics dont look great. With Risto the devils are taking a swing similar to the Subban trade, hopefully this one works out.

Blackhawks need to move some cap out, Devils swoop in for some help on the left side and make the move for Olli Maatta. Fitz has familiarity with Maatta from their time in Pittsburgh together.

Devils take a swing for Jesse P and in hope that he will head over to North America. Jesse has played with Kuokkanen previously in int'l play and a heavy european roster and being closer to home (though not close really at all) might help. Ken Holland recoups some picks to make up for the ones he moved out at the deadline. Oilers also receive Merkley who wont be in the top 6 for Edmonton but adds some skill to the bottom 6. He has a low ceiling high floor. injuries have derailed his career until now, but has been healthy since moving to the devils. he started off slow but came on strong at the end.

Devils end up keeping their 3 first rounders this year. Picks 6, 10, and 17. Devils draft: Lucas Raymond, Jake Sanderson, and Rodion Amirov respectively. Raymond comes over and plays in the AHL. Sanderson stays 1 year in college. Amirov stays in russia most likely for 2 years on the KHL squad before coming over.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,750,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,250,000
4$4,000,000
3$3,500,000
1$850,000
1$1,000,000
2$1,400,000
1$925,000
1$800,000
2$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
1$925,000
1$1,000,000
1$850,000
1$700,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Raymond, Lucas
3$925,000
Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Bjork, Anders [RFA Rights]
  2. Kase, Ondrej
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
  4. 2022 2nd round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
This trade is from a Bruins AGM.
2022 pick is transferred if Bruins reach SCF or if Palmieri resigns
BOS
  1. Palmieri, Kyle ($2,325,000 retained)
2.
NJD
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
Additional Details:
Fitzgerald doesnt listen to his analytics team on this one. Has mentioned he wants D men with more size that can skate.
for Buffalo fans - this is close to what someone mentioned would be his value. 2nd rounder and a depth player. W
BUF
  1. Wood, Miles
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (NYI)
3.
CHI
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (ARI)
4.
NJD
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Reserve List]
EDM
  1. Merkley, Nick
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (BOS)
  3. 2020 4th round pick (BOS)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$66,125,988$0$2,882,500$15,374,012
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
C
UFA - 7
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C
UFA - 2
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
RW
UFA - 1
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$811,666$811,666 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
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RW
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C
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Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,822,764$2,822,764
LD
UFA - 2
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RD
UFA - 3
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 3
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$3,333,225$3,333,225
LD
UFA - 2
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$700,000$700,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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RD
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C, LW
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Jun. 23, 2020 at 9:42 p.m.
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oilers take it
Jun. 23, 2020 at 9:48 p.m.
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It seems Shero wanted to get Risto shortly before he was fired (maybe that's why he was fired) squinty smile

I’m not sure that we will trade Risto for this package, Krueger seems to have a rather high opinion of Risto, and new GM seems to be listening to the opinion of coach.
Jun. 23, 2020 at 9:50 p.m.
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Hawks accept. Don't know where the interest in Maatta has come from but hawks will likely move him.
Jun. 23, 2020 at 10:23 p.m.
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oilers take it


Do you accept without the 4th added?
Jun. 23, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.
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It seems Shero wanted to get Risto shortly before he was fired (maybe that's why he was fired) squinty smile

I’m not sure that we will trade Risto for this package, Krueger seems to have a rather high opinion of Risto, and new GM seems to be listening to the opinion of coach.


When I reviewed everything it looked a little light for him, but it’s just for fun anyways. They are heavy on the right side, which player do you think ends up being moved? I would think Miller if anyone but I’ve had some Sabre’s fans say montour which seems odd to me.
Jun. 23, 2020 at 10:28 p.m.
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I actually think Palmieri should be moved and I would be happy with that package. I'm cool with taking a chance on Ristolainen too, Wood stinks and we basically got that pick for free anyways lol. No thanks on Maata and hell no on the EDM trade. Devils need to be acquiring picks in the first three 3 rounds of this years draft, not trading them away.
Jun. 23, 2020 at 10:29 p.m.
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You application for Devils GM has been rejected. Thank you.
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Jun. 23, 2020 at 10:32 p.m.
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Hawks accept. Don't know where the interest in Maatta has come from but hawks will likely move him.


Definitely wouldn’t be my preferred LD but devils have smith coming up soon who is slight and have butcher, so they do need somewhat of a defensive d on the left side. I saw some other people make this move and it seems reasonable.
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Jun. 23, 2020 at 10:34 p.m.
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When I reviewed everything it looked a little light for him, but it’s just for fun anyways. They are heavy on the right side, which player do you think ends up being moved? I would think Miller if anyone but I’ve had some Sabre’s fans say montour which seems odd to me.


No, I think Risto can also be on the block, but for another package. Montur RFA and strange guy, maybe he is also on the block. Miller at the beginning was not very good, but then he seems to have adapted and is unlikely to be of great value.
Jun. 23, 2020 at 10:41 p.m.
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I actually think Palmieri should be moved and I would be happy with that package. I'm cool with taking a chance on Ristolainen too, Wood stinks and we basically got that pick for free anyways lol. No thanks on Maata and hell no on the EDM trade. Devils need to be acquiring picks in the first three 3 rounds of this years draft, not trading them away.


I disagree that we need more picks. Obviously it’s test to stockpile draft picks but you need to also turn them into players. Devils have a deep system already. They’ve drafted a ton of kids over the last few years and added more in the hall and Coleman trades. They don’t have a bunch of high end kids, but that’s why they keep their 3 firsts.

I wouldn’t hate if the maatta deal didn’t happen. I like the idea of taking a shot on JP. He’s a former 4th overall pick who at one point was rated higher than Laine. I understand that really doesn’t mean much now but he has shown in his time in Finland that he can Still play. He should be a 40/50 point guy. Or maybe I’m crazy
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Jun. 23, 2020 at 10:43 p.m.
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Fair deal. But I think Boston would try and add a prospect rather than give up both Bjork and kase. That totally dismantles their 3rd line.
Jun. 23, 2020 at 11:44 p.m.
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Do you accept without the 4th added?


no given that boston's second is gonna be a late rounder
Jun. 24, 2020 at 12:02 a.m.
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Do you accept without the 4th added?


That's a super late 2nd so doubtful Holland would take it without
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 12:27 a.m.
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Sabres Fan here

Our Coach, who is now thought to be heavily involved in player decisions, REALLY like Risto
So i think it’s gonna take more than that to get him
Especially with Eichel’s public frustrations
We need to start winning ASAP
So i don’t think they care much about a bottom6 guy & a 2nd round pick that won’t likely contribute for years

I think it’s Montour who is more likely to be traded
And the Sabres #1 need is 2C
So my guess is that they’ll try to do Montour + to fill that need
Jun. 24, 2020 at 12:44 a.m.
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I doubt that.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 1:45 a.m.
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Doubtful holland would consider that but it’s one of the better offers seen
Jun. 24, 2020 at 7:36 a.m.
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Fair deal. But I think Boston would try and add a prospect rather than give up both Bjork and kase. That totally dismantles their 3rd line.


Take out the conditional 2nd and id do it. The third line would be fine as you'd have Studnicka and Coyle w/ either DeBrusk, Ritchie or Frederic
Jun. 24, 2020 at 8:41 a.m.
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Every freaking devils fan on here trades Miles Wood to the Sabres. WE DO NOT WANT MILES WOOD. Jesus
Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:42 a.m.
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Bruins reject easy

Take out Bjork and a 2nd (and the retention) and the bruins accept

Remember, Kase is still a 2nd liner with decent potential, and Palmeri is now a 1 year rental which lowers his value. Recent trade for guys of Palmeris statute has been exactly that: guy with top 6 potential and a 2nd

Edit: should back myself up:
Toffoli deal: 2nd and (tyler madden + Tim Shaller) and a conditional 4th
Andrew shaw after putting up 47 in 63 (second line numbers) (and also he wasnt just a rental): 2nd and 3rd rounder
Colin Miller (not top 6 forward, but top 4 D)(also not a rental): 2nd and 5th
Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:56 a.m.
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I disagree that we need more picks. Obviously it’s test to stockpile draft picks but you need to also turn them into players. Devils have a deep system already. They’ve drafted a ton of kids over the last few years and added more in the hall and Coleman trades. They don’t have a bunch of high end kids, but that’s why they keep their 3 firsts.

I wouldn’t hate if the maatta deal didn’t happen. I like the idea of taking a shot on JP. He’s a former 4th overall pick who at one point was rated higher than Laine. I understand that really doesn’t mean much now but he has shown in his time in Finland that he can Still play. He should be a 40/50 point guy. Or maybe I’m crazy


Devils moved their high 2nd round pick last year and got burned, no 2nd or 3rd the year before that, we don't have a 2nd or 3rd this year, and no 2nd in 2021... a rebuilding team selecting once in the 2nd round (at 61) across 4 years? No wonder they only have 1 elite prospect in the system. Look who they missed out on in 2019 (Hoglander, Tuomisto, Lavoie, Robertson, Fagemo, Hellison, Struble, Rees, the list goes on!) They missed out on a ton of talent last year, and there's going to be a ton of talent available in rounds 2 and 3 this year.

Yeah you're right his draft position and ranking 4 years ago do mean nothing, Nolan Patrick was ranked and drafted ahead of Heiskanen, Makar, Pettersson in 2017. Pulju's numbers in the Liiga are okay at best for a highly touted prospect, he's a '98 and he wasn't even point per game in that league. Kakko produced at almost the same rate in his draft year... 40 / 50 points in the NHL is extremely wishful thinking, it doesn't look like his game will ever translate. He might be worth taking a flyer on, but not for a 2nd round pick. No way
Jun. 24, 2020 at 6:20 p.m.
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Devils moved their high 2nd round pick last year and got burned, no 2nd or 3rd the year before that, we don't have a 2nd or 3rd this year, and no 2nd in 2021... a rebuilding team selecting once in the 2nd round (at 61) across 4 years? No wonder they only have 1 elite prospect in the system. Look who they missed out on in 2019 (Hoglander, Tuomisto, Lavoie, Robertson, Fagemo, Hellison, Struble, Rees, the list goes on!) They missed out on a ton of talent last year, and there's going to be a ton of talent available in rounds 2 and 3 this year.

Yeah you're right his draft position and ranking 4 years ago do mean nothing, Nolan Patrick was ranked and drafted ahead of Heiskanen, Makar, Pettersson in 2017. Pulju's numbers in the Liiga are okay at best for a highly touted prospect, he's a '98 and he wasn't even point per game in that league. Kakko produced at almost the same rate in his draft year... 40 / 50 points in the NHL is extremely wishful thinking, it doesn't look like his game will ever translate. He might be worth taking a flyer on, but not for a 2nd round pick. No way


They’ve had second rounders in recent history but they haven’t amounted to much at least so far.

2016 selected Bastian at 42 - bad pick
2017 selected boqvist at 36 - has talent but jury is out on him still
2019 selected okhotyuk - viewed as a reach based on talent. There were more talented people picked after like puistola and dorofeyev who passed over twice (misyul picked before them as well)

2018 was the grabner trade which I never loved.
2019 our own pick and 2020 went for subban which at the time looked like a good trade and people were saying we got him for nothing.
2021 is going back for gusev which I’m assuming you like and I agree.

At the end of the day we have 3 first round picks and Id rather the devils move a second rounder than one of those first rounders. Unless you told me we could move 1 of the firsts (preferably not our own) for a high end player. Something like the 10th and boqvist for sergachev but I doubt that’s not even enough for him.

Just wondering your idea on where the devils are at and what you want them to do. Are you of the viewpoint that we aren’t competing for years to come so just move out all the veterans worth anything for picks? And then use all of those picks And see if any hit. don’t move any for nhl caliber players.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 7:48 p.m.
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Bruins reject easy

Take out Bjork and a 2nd (and the retention) and the bruins accept


Remember, Kase is still a 2nd liner with decent potential, and Palmeri is now a 1 year rental which lowers his value. Recent trade for guys of Palmeris statute has been exactly that: guy with top 6 potential and a 2nd

Edit: should back myself up:
Toffoli deal: 2nd and (tyler madden + Tim Shaller) and a conditional 4th
Andrew shaw after putting up 47 in 63 (second line numbers) (and also he wasnt just a rental): 2nd and 3rd rounder
Colin Miller (not top 6 forward, but top 4 D)(also not a rental): 2nd and 5th



Of course the bruins would accept Kase for Palmieri.

Kase is hurt 30 games a year on average. He’s played over 60 once in his career and would have probably just eclipsed it this season. During palms 5 year stretch with the devils you could always count on him being there. 17/18 was one year he has issues and he still played more games than Kase has averaged over his career.

Palmieri is better than both of those players you mentioned and hard to compare a right d to him. Over the last 4 years Toffoli is on a 20 goal per 82 game year pace while Palmieri is at 29.

You also have to take into account the devils retaining salary. This helps the bruins retain people like Krug and chara.

I took this trade from a bruins AGM. If I were to construct one myself I would probably would have said 2021 first, studnicka and zboril and still retain half of palms salary.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:15 p.m.
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Of course the bruins would accept Kase for Palmieri.

Kase is hurt 30 games a year on average. He’s played over 60 once in his career and would have probably just eclipsed it this season. During palms 5 year stretch with the devils you could always count on him being there. 17/18 was one year he has issues and he still played more games than Kase has averaged over his career.

Palmieri is better than both of those players you mentioned and hard to compare a right d to him. Over the last 4 years Toffoli is on a 20 goal per 82 game year pace while Palmieri is at 29.

You also have to take into account the devils retaining salary. This helps the bruins retain people like Krug and chara.

I took this trade from a bruins AGM. If I were to construct one myself I would probably would have said 2021 first, studnicka and zboril and still retain half of palms salary.


I did lol, its still just an overpay by the bruins. They didnt get this good by making bad deals
Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:57 p.m.
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Just wondering your idea on where the devils are at and what you want them to do. Are you of the viewpoint that we aren’t competing for years to come so just move out all the veterans worth anything for picks? And then use all of those picks And see if any hit. don’t move any for nhl caliber players.


It's a tough situation to be in. I am of the viewpoint that this team isn't going anywhere for at least another 2 years. Clearly we're going to have to be patient with Hughes, and I think 2 years from now he will be hitting his stride and living up to expectations as an electrifying franchise C (if not, the Devils have a serious problem). This team only goes as far as Hughes takes them imo. So they should be moving some of the older guys for picks, I don't think Palmieri fits the window, if you can move Subban for anything you do it. I would also be looking at moving on from Wood, Zacha, Butcher, maybe Severson, etc. simply to move in a new direction, these guys have been okay but certainly haven't become what most people were expecting.

There simply isn't enough high end talent on the roster / in the system and the best way to acquire it is through the draft, any drafted players in the next 2 years will also fit that same window as the rest of our young core. That said if you can add a young player with top 6 (F) or top 4 (D) potential that's cost controlled without giving up a ton then you've got to look at it. You need to have some talent around the young players to help them grow and develop but no I would not be moving picks and prospects for anybody over the age of 26.
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 10:33 p.m.
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I did lol, its still just an overpay by the bruins. They didnt get this good by making bad deals


I agree the bruins are one of if not the best teams. However they aren’t impervious to making bad moves.

Backes contract and Moore contracts recently were terrible

Nash trade was really bad even though it dealt with injuries but that was known.

Obviously they make more good/great moves but those are some regretful ones
 
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