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Created by: hockeygm
Initial Creation Date: Jun 24, 2020
Published: Jun 24, 2020 at 4:00
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mittelstadt, Casey2$850,000
Olofsson, Victor6$5,000,000
Reinhart, Sam6$6,000,000
Thompson, Tage2$850,000
Roslovic, Jack3$3,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Girgensons, Zemgus2$1,500,000
Schultz, Justin2$2,850,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Roslovic, Jack [RFA Rights]
WPG
  1. Kahun, Dominik [RFA Rights]
  2. Hickey, Brandon [RFA Rights]
BUF
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
TOR
  1. Miller, Colin
  2. Asplund, Rasmus
BUF
  1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  2. Morin, Samuel
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Montour, Brandon [RFA Rights]
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Eric Staal: $1,625,000 (50%)
  • Taylor Hall: $4,000,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
DAL
2021
BUF
BUF
PHI
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$85,500,000$80,376,667$1,487,500$4,470,000$5,123,333

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Mittelstadt, Casey
$850,000
C
RFA - 1
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
$5,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
$6,000,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
BUF
Johansson, Marcus
$4,500,000
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Cozens, Dylan
$894,167
C, LW
RFA - 3
Roslovic, Jack
$3,000,000
RW, C
RFA - 2
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
$1,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
BUF
Thompson, Tage
$850,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 2
BUF
Hutton, Carter
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
PHI
Gostisbehere, Shayne
$4,500,000
LD
UFA - 3
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
BUF
Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
$778,333
G
RFA - 2
BUF
McCabe, Jake
$2,850,000
LD
UFA - 1
Schultz, Justin
$2,850,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PHI
Morin, Samuel
$700,000
LD, LW
UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Eichel, J.
Reinhart, S.
Olofsson, V.
Skinner, J.
Dahlin, R.
Power Play 2
Ristolainen, R.
Cozens, D.
Mittelstadt, C.
Schultz, J.
Gostisbehere, S.

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Jun 24, 2020 at 4:02
#1
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im gonna need to make a "no you arnt getting Kapanen for that, Buffalo" macro
Jun 24, 2020 at 4:12
#2
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Kahun is better than Roslovic
Jun 24, 2020 at 4:23
#3
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
im gonna need to make a "no you arnt getting Kapanen for that, Buffalo" macro


Not sure why. Miller had a better season than Montour and hasn't lost nearly as much value while playing in Buffalo. Hes cost controlled for another couple seasons, not needing a new deal like Montour. Miller should be the higher value defenseman of the two. I know a lot of Leafs fans on here like to see a 1st line winger in waiting in Kapanen but thats not his value right now. This is the kind of deal that gets done.
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Jun 24, 2020 at 4:26
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Quoting: Byrr
Not sure why. Miller had a better season than Montour and hasn't lost nearly as much value while playing in Buffalo. I could see this getting done.


because it's not enough value for Kapanen, that's why. And having a better season than Montour doesnt matter if you still didnt have a good season yourself.
The best you are getting from Toronto for Miller is Johnsson
Jun 24, 2020 at 4:28
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
because it's not enough value for Kapanen, that's why. And having a better season than Montour doesnt matter if you still didnt have a good season yourself.
The best you are getting from Toronto for Miller is Johnsson


You have an unrealistic view of Millers season and Kapanens value.
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Jun 24, 2020 at 4:34
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Quoting: Byrr
You have an unrealistic view of Millers season and Kapanens value.


you've got that flipped around. Miller had an ok defensive season against middling competition while getting healthy scratched and basically being a net zero offensively, while Kapanen scored at the 34th highest rate in the league among right wingers despite playing on the third line with guys like Kerfoot and Engvall and getting no power play time and being a very versatile PK player.
He is significantly more valuable than Miller
Jun 24, 2020 at 4:37
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
you've got that flipped around. Miller had an ok defensive season against middling competition while getting healthy scratched and basically being a net zero offensively, while Kapanen scored at the 34th highest rate in the league among right wingers despite playing on the third line with guys like Kerfoot and Engvall and getting no power play time and being a very versatile PK player.
He is significantly more valuable than Miller


Considering Kapanen only scored 13 goals, i think that says more about right wingers than it does Kapanen. Seems like a cherry picked garbage stat.
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Jun 24, 2020 at 4:41
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hockeygm
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Quoting: Byrr
Not sure why. Miller had a better season than Montour and hasn't lost nearly as much value while playing in Buffalo. Hes cost controlled for another couple seasons, not needing a new deal like Montour. Miller should be the higher value defenseman of the two. I know a lot of Leafs fans on here like to see a 1st line winger in waiting in Kapanen but thats not his value right now. This is the kind of deal that gets done.


Need more of you here. Thank you.
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Jun 24, 2020 at 4:42
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Quoting: Byrr
Considering Kapanen only scored 13 goals, i think that says more about right wingers than it does Kapanen. Seems like a cherry picked garbage stat.


yeah, or it means that he scored 13 goals playing on the third line with no power play time and playing with 3rd liners. The point, that you so graciously missed was that he scored at a 2nd line rate buried behind two very very good players.
Jun 24, 2020 at 4:43
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Quoting: hockeygm
Need more of you here. Thank you.


why? there are plenty of people who hilariously under value Kapanen and over rate MIller.
Jun 24, 2020 at 4:47
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
yeah, or it means that he scored 13 goals playing on the third line with no power play time and playing with 3rd liners. The point, that you so graciously missed was that he scored at a 2nd line rate buried behind two very very good players.


Well lets see here. His most common linemates in the first quarter were Marner and Tavares, in the second quarter it was Matthews and Nylander. Now knowing that he went on a 16 game pointless streak near the end of the season(the entire 3rd line did)...i think its fair to say where most of those goals came from and it wasn't the 3rd line.

10 goals in the first half of the season when he was playing on the top 2 lines and only 3 in the second half while playing on the 3rd line. He scored 3 goals in a 26 game span while actually playing on the 3rd line, lets see where that ranks up in your scoring rate. You cherry picked a stat and ignored the context of it for your own benefit. Get out of here with that trash.
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Jun 24, 2020 at 4:48
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
because it's not enough value for Kapanen, that's why. And having a better season than Montour doesnt matter if you still didnt have a good season yourself.
The best you are getting from Toronto for Miller is Johnsson


colin miller for andreas johnsson. Buffalo should do in a heartbeat. not sure why toronto would even want colin miller though. Worse version of barrie, saw plenty of him as a bruin hes a bottom 3 defender. Can hold his own offensively but defensively, woof.
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:12
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Quoting: Byrr
Well lets see here. His most common linemates in the first quarter were Marner and Tavares, in the second quarter it was Matthews and Nylander. Now knowing that he went on a 16 game pointless streak near the end of the season(the entire 3rd line did)...i think its fair to say where most of those goals came from and it wasn't the 3rd line.

10 goals in the first half of the season when he was playing on the top 2 lines and only 3 in the second half while playing on the 3rd line. He scored 3 goals in a 26 game span while actually playing on the 3rd line, lets see where that ranks up in your scoring rate. You cherry picked a stat and ignored the context of it for your own benefit. Get out of here with that trash.


you're trying to trade him for someone who couldnt make the buffalo sabres defence.
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:14
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Quoting: hanson493
colin miller for andreas johnsson. Buffalo should do in a heartbeat. not sure why toronto would even want colin miller though. Worse version of barrie, saw plenty of him as a bruin hes a bottom 3 defender. Can hold his own offensively but defensively, woof.


kinda the opposite actually, He's a fine bottom pairing defender who can slot in as your number 4 guy if you have some injuries or whatever, but he still needs to be sheltered somewhat. He cant handle top line comp or run a 2nd pairing without someone carrying him.
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:31
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Shibbal18
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Why would they trade Kahun and pay to downgrade
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Jun 24, 2020 at 5:32
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
im gonna need to make a "no you arnt getting Kapanen for that, Buffalo" macro


I thought he was a canadiens fan
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:34
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: hanson493
colin miller for andreas johnsson. Buffalo should do in a heartbeat. not sure why toronto would even want colin miller though. Worse version of barrie, saw plenty of him as a bruin hes a bottom 3 defender. Can hold his own offensively but defensively, woof.


Sabres are pretty full up on the left side, and would keep Miller anyway
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:36
#18
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
you're trying to trade him for someone who couldnt make the buffalo sabres defence.


Miller played 51 of 69 games. Thats another fake point
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:43
#19
Shibbal18
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
you've got that flipped around. Miller had an ok defensive season against middling competition while getting healthy scratched and basically being a net zero offensively, while Kapanen scored at the 34th highest rate in the league among right wingers despite playing on the third line with guys like Kerfoot and Engvall and getting no power play time and being a very versatile PK player.
He is significantly more valuable than Miller


https://public.tableau.com/shared/B9WGDRH2C?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y
Kapanen was in the 58th percentile of forwards in goals but 98th percentile of forwards in secondary assists while only in the 47th percentile for primary assists. Bloated stats
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:48
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Miller played 51 of 69 games. Thats another fake point


Wow, i thought 51 was less than 69
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:49
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Quoting: Shibbal18
https://public.tableau.com/shared/B9WGDRH2C?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y
Kapanen was in the 58th percentile of forwards in goals but 98th percentile of forwards in secondary assists while only in the 47th percentile for primary assists. Bloated stats


Funny, that argument never works when im talking about jack eichel vs matthews
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:52
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Funny, that argument never works when im talking about jack eichel vs matthews


I never argue those 2, I am arguing this ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:53
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Shibbal18
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Wow, i thought 51 was less than 69


you worded it as if he played 15
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:55
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Quoting: Shibbal18
I never argue those 2, I am arguing this ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯


sure, but then what does that say about kapanen? that he's a mid range 2nd liner? cool, those are more valuable than #5 defenders
Jun 24, 2020 at 5:56
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Quoting: Shibbal18
you worded it as if he played 15


I worded it that he couldnt make it as a full timer on the sabres roster despite apparently being worth a 2nd liner
 
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