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The Taylor Hall solution

Created by: Richard88
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 24, 2020
Published: Jun. 24, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Here's the plan:

1) Sign Hall to a $9.5m x 7 year contract.

2) Win a cup.

3) Leave him unprotected in the ED.

4) Seattle select Hall.

Colorado thereby gets Hall for only 1 year while they have capspace to burn. Meanwhile Hall gets his long-term contract and wins a cup, and then gets to be the face of the Seattle franchise. Win-win-win.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$925,000
4$4,850,000
2$2,000,000
2$2,450,000
2$735,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$9,500,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (BUF)
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
2.
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (FLA)
  2. 2020 3rd round pick (COL)
FLA
  1. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
3.
COL
  1. 2021 4th round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
4.
COL
  1. McKeown, Roland [RFA Rights]
CAR
  1. Greer, AJ [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 6th round pick (FLA)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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Logo of the BUF
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Logo of the DET
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,553,095$0$5,425,000$946,905

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
$9,500,000$9,500,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
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$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,900,000$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,850,000$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW
RFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,450,000$2,450,000
LD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$150,000$150K)
C
RFA - 2
$735,000$735,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 1

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Jun. 24, 2020 at 6:51 p.m.
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Except the obvious problem of him almost certainly commanding a no trade and no movement clause preventing a scenario of him being stuck on a team like Seattle for the rest of his prime years.
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 6:56 p.m.
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And then what if Seattle doesnt take Hall? Small chance but Colorado will be in the same conference and Seattle could see it as advantageous to strap Colorado down to that contract for the duration. Particularly if Hall doesnt play up to his salary next season. It isnt abnormal for a player to sign a big contract with a new team and then take a full year to get chemistry deflating his stats in the process
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 7:02 p.m.
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Got news for you, No way Hall signs anywhere without a NMC being attached to his contract. That's just not happening.
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 7:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Timmah007
Except the obvious problem of him almost certainly commanding a no trade and no movement clause preventing a scenario of him being stuck on a team like Seattle for the rest of his prime years.


Yeah you're right. Realistically this probably doesn't happen because of a NMC.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 7:30 p.m.
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I just looked at the last 10 signings of UFA or Upcoming UFAs that were signed for over 7 million AAV. Every one of them except Matt Duchene had a Full NMC or NTC. So chances are slim of him not getting a full NMC
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 7:46 p.m.
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Colorado has two elite drivers in MacKinnon and Rantanen. A smarter move would be Rakell. I get that it might be costly, but a very good RW on a great contract. He’s cheaper than Donskoi, with 2 seasons of control he won’t hamper the ability to re-sign Landeskog or Makar
Jun. 24, 2020 at 8:06 p.m.
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Colorado has two elite drivers in MacKinnon and Rantanen. A smarter move would be Rakell. I get that it might be costly, but a very good RW on a great contract. He’s cheaper than Donskoi, with 2 seasons of control he won’t hamper the ability to re-sign Landeskog or Makar

I think if Sakic trades prime assets it'll be for a top 6 forward with more term. In fact I vaguely recall him saying something along those lines at the deadline.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 8:13 p.m.
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I think if Sakic trades prime assets it'll be for a top 6 forward with more term. In fact I vaguely recall him saying something along those lines at the deadline.


The problem is, it’s hard to find players with more than two years of term, without giving up an arm and a leg. For Rakell you still get 160 games plus playoffs
Jun. 24, 2020 at 8:20 p.m.
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The problem is, it’s hard to find players with more than two years of term, without giving up an arm and a leg. For Rakell you still get 160 games plus playoffs


Pittsburgh got Zucker for 4 playoffs for a 1st + top RHD prospect + cap dump/zero value player.

We could also pick up a player like Palat or Killorn for like a 2nd + 3rd or thereabouts.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 8:41 p.m.
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Pittsburgh got Zucker for 4 playoffs for a 1st + top RHD prospect + cap dump/zero value player.

We could also pick up a player like Palat or Killorn for like a 2nd + 3rd or thereabouts.


Issue is Palat and Killorn have full NTC's. Sure the Avs are a great team and Denver is a nice city, but it's not TB. It's a fall back option but shouldn't be plan A, considering there's no guarantee they waive

I also would put very little value in using what PIT does as a comp. Rutherford is all-in, frankly he doesn't care what the Pens future looks like, since he won't be the one cleaning up the mess.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:15 p.m.
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Sounds like you don't want Hall at 9.5 X 6 anymore that Seattle would. Doubt if Hall is going to be a face of any franchise in the future.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:35 p.m.
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Issue is Palat and Killorn have full NTC's. Sure the Avs are a great team and Denver is a nice city, but it's not TB. It's a fall back option but shouldn't be plan A, considering there's no guarantee they waive

I also would put very little value in using what PIT does as a comp. Rutherford is all-in, frankly he doesn't care what the Pens future looks like, since he won't be the one cleaning up the mess.


Killorn only has a 16 team no-trade list. Presumably Colorado (as a contender) would be a destination he's ok with.

Palat only has a NTC for another year. He might fancy going to Colorado instead of risking ending up in Seattle/CHAZ/CHOP/whatever-it's-called-now next summer.
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:39 p.m.
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Sounds like you don't want Hall at 9.5 X 6 anymore that Seattle would. Doubt if Hall is going to be a face of any franchise in the future.


The difference is that Colorado has to resign Makar, Landeskog, Grubauer, Mackinnon, etc... Seattle won't have that 'problem' as they won't have superstars in their 1st season.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 12:34 a.m.
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And if He has a 23 goal 58 PT season Seattle says you keep him. Then they sign landeskog in the offseason.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 3:22 a.m.
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And if He has a 23 goal 58 PT season Seattle says you keep him. Then they sign landeskog in the offseason.


Landeskog isn't going anywhere. It would be Burakovsky or Donskoi who gets cut to find cap space if needed.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 7:00 a.m.
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Quoting: Richard88
The difference is that Colorado has to resign Makar, Landeskog, Grubauer, Mackinnon, etc... Seattle won't have that 'problem' as they won't have superstars in their 1st season.


Hall isn't a superstar. He's had one superstar season. Just saying smart teams stay away from overpaying big term contracts for players in their late twenties
Jun. 25, 2020 at 9:16 a.m.
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If Hall helps propel the team to the Cup (or even get close), it's pretty hard to see them just letting him go. I think it's much more likely they do what they can to keep him, even if it means a revamp if the bottom six.

And even if he does somehow sign without trade/movement protection, keeping him past the xdraft and then trading him makes more sense than letting Seattle take him, as he would bring back a metric butt ton in the market.

To me though, Hall is a long term play or nothing. They can make the cap work, and it's not even that incredibly difficult considering the guys they have coming. The key to me would be getting his inevitable trade protection to open up after 4-5 years so there is somw flexibility in the future.
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 10:07 a.m.
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If Hall helps propel the team to the Cup (or even get close), it's pretty hard to see them just letting him go. I think it's much more likely they do what they can to keep him, even if it means a revamp if the bottom six.

And even if he does somehow sign without trade/movement protection, keeping him past the xdraft and then trading him makes more sense than letting Seattle take him, as he would bring back a metric butt ton in the market.

To me though, Hall is a long term play or nothing. They can make the cap work, and it's not even that incredibly difficult considering the guys they have coming. The key to me would be getting his inevitable trade protection to open up after 4-5 years so there is somw flexibility in the future.


Good point about protecting and then trading him instead, that does make more sense in terms of asset management.

I agree that they can make it work even at like 6 years x $8-9m. But as you say it would be really important to maintain some flexibility by not having a full NTC beyond 2023.
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