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Debrincat for Marner

Created by: Wadejos123
Team: 2020-21 Chicago Blackhawks
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 24, 2020
Published: Jun. 24, 2020
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With the 9th pick in the 2020 NHL draft, the Chicago Blackhawks select Jack Quinn
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:33 p.m.
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SMFH
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:38 p.m.
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This must be a joke if you think the Leafs would trade Marner and especially for these two players.

@ChiHawk what is your opinion? Do you think the Leafs would really agree to this deal?
Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:39 p.m.
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Marner had 2 less goals than Debrinecat this year in 11 less games. Oh and 12 more points.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:40 p.m.
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How bout Kane-Cat-strome-4 1st and a note book with
Keith’s signatures
Jun. 24, 2020 at 9:45 p.m.
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SMFH


u can add this one to your list
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Jun. 24, 2020 at 10:32 p.m.
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Marner is a franchise and generational player and will never be traded by the Leafs.
Jun. 24, 2020 at 11:28 p.m.
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C'mon man, you know better than this!
Jun. 24, 2020 at 11:39 p.m.
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I think the extent to which this is being torn down is a bit much. It would take a significant add on Chicago's part imo, but honestly, I don't hate the base of the deal. A lesser player to fill Marner's spot in the lineup, as well as a decent Dman... Could be worse.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 12:25 a.m.
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This must be a joke if you think the Leafs would trade Marner and especially for these two players.

@ChiHawk what is your opinion? Do you think the Leafs would really agree to this deal?


Let me start by saying there is no question that Marner is 100% the better player, HOWEVER, I don't think either team agrees to the deal to be honest.

Contracts
Let's be honest, Marner is carrying one of the top 5 most expensive contracts in the league and Marner currently is definitely not a top 5 player in the league let alone top 10; he has the talent and I get that the Leafs are betting on his future value becoming one with that contact, but there is 5 years left and then walks him right in free agency. I don't think this was a good contract by the Leafs. Alternatively, Debrincat is on a 3 year bridge and an RFA so that is longer term control over the player and a better contract situation hands down. Based on contracts, cap hit, age, and team control....Debrincat's contract is much more attractive.

Production and Value
Debrincat had a down year there is no doubt and nobody will question that. Marner is a playmaker and a great one and his stats clearly demonstrate that. Cat is a goal scorer and a great one and his stats clearly demonstrate that. Cat will likely never put up 94 points like Marner did last season. Marner will likely never put up 41 goals like Cat did last season. A playmaker is more valuable to his team then a pure goal scorer/sniper end of story. For that reason, Marner is the better player hands down.

Linemates
Cat has been playing next to Strome and less then 50% having Kane on the other wing, mostly a cast of characters on his other wing. Marner plays next to Matthews who is a top 10 player in the league. That without question helps Marner having one of the best centers in the league next to him compared to Strome. Marner is great, but if he played next to Strome he would not be putting up quite the production he is next to Matthews and don't think anyone would argue that. They both play on the PP but this is where a sniper/shooter shines and has helped Cat's numbers IMO more then Marner's.

All Said...
Should the Leafs do this? No because Marner is a better a player and has great chemistry next to Matthews...you simply just don't break that up.
Should the Hawks do this? No because Marner's contract situation isn't great compared to Cat given his UFA status and a $11M cap hit walking to UFA status. The Hawks have too much tied into Toews, Kane and Seabs already to entertain a $11M cap hit on one player, they are better off spreading that to Cat and Strome together.

Is the value in the Marner for Murphy and Cat there? It's closer then some here think, although the Hawks clearly IMO need to add somewhat. Regardless, it doesn't make sense for either team.

Cat's value IMO is somewhere between William Nylander and Marner but very close to Nylander vs close to Marner. However, I wouldn't do a W Nylander 1 for 1 trade for Cat mainly because of contracts Nylander (UFA in 4 years) Cat (RFA in 3 years) plus Cat being 2 years younger (splitting hairs I know)...though those two are much closer nonetheless.

Would you do Nylander (Cat) plus Kappanen (Muprhy) for Marner? I think that answers the question if you'd do Cat plus Murphy for Marner.
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:02 a.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Let me start by saying there is no question that Marner is the better player, HOWEVER, I don't think either team agrees to the deal to be honest.

Contracts
Let's be honest, Marner is carrying one of the top 5 most expensive contracts in the league and he is definitely not a top 5 player in the league let alone top 10; he has the talent and I get that the Leafs are betting on his future value with the contact, but there is 5 years left and walks him right in free agency. I don't think this was a good contract by the Leafs. Alternatively, Debrincat is on a 3 year bridge and an RFA so that is longer term control over the player and a better contract situation hands down. Based on contracts, cap hit, age, and team control....Debrincat's contract is much more attractive.

Production and Value
Debrincat had a down year there is no doubt and nobody will question that. Marner is a playmaker and a great one and his stats clearly demonstrate that. Cat is a goal scorer and a great one and his stats clearly demonstrate that. Cat will likely never put up 94 points like Marner did last season. Marner will likely never put up 41 goals like Cat did last season. A playmaker is more valuable to his team then a pure goal scorer/sniper end of story. For that reason, Marner is the better player hands down, but a guy who can shoot 41 goals in his 2nd season in the league is no joke either so not to discredit a shooter.

Linemates
Cat has been playing next to Strome and less then 50% having Kane on the other wing, mostly a cast of characters on his other wing. Marner plays next to Matthews who is a top 10 player in the league. That without question helps Marner having one of the best centers in the league next to him compared to Strome. Marner is great, but if he played next to Strome he would not be putting up quite the production he is next to Matthews and don't think anyone would argue that. They both play on the PP but this is where a sniper/shooter shines and has helped Cat's numbers IMO more then Marner's.

All Said...
Should the Leafs do this? No because Marner is a better a player and great chemistry next to Matthews...you simply just don't break that up.
Should the Hawks do this? No because Marner's contract situation isn't great compared to Cat given his UFA status and a $11M cap hit and the Hawks have too much tied into Toews, Kane and Seabs arleady.
Is the value in the Marner for Murphy and Cat there? It's closer then some here think, although the Hawks clearly need to add. Regardless, it doesn't make sense for either team.

Cat's value IMO is somewhere between William Nylander and Marner but very close to Nylander vs Marner. However, I wouldn't do a W Nylander 1 for 1 trade for Cat mainly because of contracts Nylander (UFA in 4 years) Cat (RFA in 3 years) plus Cat being 2 years younger (splitting hairs I know). Those two though are much closer nonetheless.

Would you do Nylander plus Kappanen for Marner? I think that answers the question if you'd do Cat plus Murphy for Marner.


ChiHawk

This is probably one of the best anyalsis of a trade I have ever read on CapFriendly and you are a very well read hockey fan.

The other thing about Marner is he also kills penalties but more important is just his infectious personality who everyone on a team loves and any team would be crazy to trade as you would destroy a dressing room. You are 100% right that this trade makes no sense for both teams. I wish you were a Leafs fan but know you are a loyal Hawks fan who just likes watching good hockey.
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:07 a.m.
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ChiHawk

This is probably one of the best anyalsis of a trade I have ever read on CapFriendly and you are a very well read hockey fan.

The other thing about Marner is he also kills penalties but more important is just his infectious personality who everyone on a team loves and any team would be crazy to trade as you would destroy a dressing room. You are 100% right that this trade makes no sense for both teams. I wish you were a Leafs fan but know you are a loyal Hawks fan who just likes watching good hockey.


Those are also good points. I'm a loyal Hawks fan but when they aren't on, I watch the Leafs and then the Sharks as the later game (I live in California).

As I'm thinking about this, I wonder what the responses on a Cat + Murphy for Nylander + Kap trade in a AGM will be like? Going to throw it up on a new AGM and see how people freak out! LOL
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:15 a.m.
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Those are also good points. I'm a loyal Hawks fan but when they aren't on, I watch the Leafs and then the Sharks as the later game (I live in California).

As I'm thinking about this, I wonder what the responses on a Cat + Murphy for Nylander + Kap trade in a AGM will be like? Going to throw it up on a new AGM and see how people freak out! LOL


Did you play hockey in California?
Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:21 a.m.
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Did you play hockey in California?


No, grew up and spent the better part of my life in Chicago smile
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:31 a.m.
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No, grew up and spent the better part of my life in Chicago smile


I will assume you played some other sports at a high level as your knowledge and understanding of team sports is very high.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:35 a.m.
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I will assume you played some other sports at a high level as your knowledge and understanding of team sports is very high.


Yes hockey, but was saying no I didn't grow up in California. Just got tired fighting 4 months of miserable weather, constant traffic (I'm not in LA), and seeing crime shoot up in Chicago.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:42 a.m.
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Yes hockey, but was saying no I didn't grow up in California. Just got tired fighting 4 months of miserable weather, constant traffic (I'm not in LA), and seeing crime shoot up in Chicago.


That makes sense why you are on this site later at night. I live in British Columbia.
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:46 a.m.
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That makes sense why you are on this site later at night. I live in British Columbia.


The best part of Canada to live in IMO smile
 
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