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Montreal Blockbuster

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Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 25, 2020
Published: Jun. 25, 2020
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I keep circling back to this trade because it makes a lot of sense for both teams, and there was a lot of smoke about something like this at the deadline when Bergevin and assistant GM Mellanby met Sakic at the Pepsi Center to watch/discuss Graves.

- Montreal need a top 4 LHD.
- Avs need a top 6 forward with term.
- Lehkonen was a healthy scratch at the deadline.
- Jost was showcased at the deadline, and MTL's head scout Trevor Timmins likes him.

The main question to me here is what picks/prospects would need to be included to balance the trade.

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Expansion Draft (7+3+1):
- Mackinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Burakovsky, Domi, Compher
- Makar, Girard, Graves
- Grubauer
Exposed: Nichuskin, Lehkonen, Donskoi, Zadorov, Johnson (waives NMC), Francouz ====> Zadorov selected.

Donskoi/Compher traded ----> Newhook
Calvert --------> Kaut
Bellemare ---> Bowers
Cole -----------> Timmins

2021/22:

Landeskog ---- Mackinnon ----- Rantanen
Domi -------------- Kadri ----------- Burakovsky
Nichuskin ------ Newhook ------- Compher
Lehkonen ------- Bowers --------- Kaut
O'Connor

Byram --- Makar
Girard --- Timmins
6D -------- Johnson
McKeown

Grubauer
Francouz
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$5,000,000
1$925,000
4$3,500,000
2$2,250,000
5$5,500,000
2$735,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
  2. Lehkonen, Artturi
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
  4. 2020 2nd round pick (CHI)
  5. 2021 4th round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Trade in 3 parts:

1) Domi + 2020 2nd (#40) for Graves + 2020 1st (#27)

2) Lehkonen = Jost + 2021 4th

3) 2020 2nd (#60) = Beaucage (drafted #78 last year and had a great season).
MTL
  1. Beaucage, Alex [Reserve List]
  2. Graves, Ryan [RFA Rights]
  3. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  4. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
2.
COL
  1. McKeown, Roland [RFA Rights]
CAR
  1. Greer, AJ [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 6th round pick (FLA)
3.
COL
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (COL)
FLA
  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
  2. 2021 6th round pick (COL)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$79,539,762$0$5,000,000$1,960,238

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 5
$5,500,000$5,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 7
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 1
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$3,333,333$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$3,450,000$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW
RFA - 3
$735,000$735,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$150,000$150K)
C
RFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 1

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Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:38 p.m.
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I'm not a COL/MTL fan but if the 2 teams were to make a blockbuster, I'd like to see Drouin reunite with Mack. Their Moosheads days were legendary to say the least
Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:39 p.m.
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Quoting: gregb569
I'm not a COL/MTL fan but if the 2 teams were to make a blockbuster, I'd like to see Drouin reunite with Mack. Their Moosheads days were legendary to say the least


Bring back the Frk too!
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 1:41 p.m.
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when the trade is broken up, Beaucage for a 2nd seems really silly. Beaucage was legit last season
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:02 p.m.
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lehkonen was a scratch for one game
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:04 p.m.
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Not enough for domi sorry. Even if you take out our pick in the trade, it still a bad trade . Domi is a good 2C with grit. The price is starting at grade A prospect + 1st
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:06 p.m.
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Bring back the Frk too!


Holy **** does he ever have an absolute piss missile coming off that twig
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:17 p.m.
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
lehkonen was a scratch for one game


?
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:18 p.m.
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27OA + Graves isn’t good value for Domi
Lehkonen > Jost
We’ll draft someone with that 2nd rd pick or use it to move up
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
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Quoting: gregb569
I'm not a COL/MTL fan but if the 2 teams were to make a blockbuster, I'd like to see Drouin reunite with Mack. Their Moosheads days were legendary to say the least


Avs have no interest in Drouin. If he's not scoring he's just a passenger on the team, and an extremely overpaid one at that. We don't need Drouin for Mackinnon to be successful.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:35 p.m.
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Avs have no interest in Drouin. If he's not scoring he's just a passenger on the team, and an extremely overpaid one at that. We don't need Drouin for Mackinnon to be successful.


Weird I didn't think I ever said that but okay
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Bdawwwgy1
when the trade is broken up, Beaucage for a 2nd seems really silly. Beaucage was legit last season


I may have generalised a bit too much in the breakdown. Beaucage is probably slightly higher rated than a late 2nd at this stage, due to being drafted at 78, and having had a good season, and simply being a year closer to the NHL.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:39 p.m.
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Quoting: gregb569
Weird I didn't think I ever said that but okay


You said you'd like to see Drouin and Mackinnon reunited. I pointed out that Avs have no interest in that.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:39 p.m.
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
lehkonen was a scratch for one game


Yeah.... 1 game just prior to the deadline. 2+2=......
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:40 p.m.
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Yeah.... 1 game just prior to the deadline. 2+2=......


No 2+2=.... not ......
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:43 p.m.
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Quoting: CLR
Not enough for domi sorry. Even if you take out our pick in the trade, it still a bad trade . Domi is a good 2C with grit. The price is starting at grade A prospect + 1st


You mean a grade A prospect that can turn into Graves? wink

I think Bergevin would prefer to have a current top 4 LHD that can help immediately, rather than more futures. You have enough picks as it is.

Besides, you do get a 1st here as well. You just have to send something back to balance it.

Domi is a decent 2nd liner with grit yes, but you're overlooking the fact that Graves is a 6'5'' 225lbs LHD who eats heavy minutes; leads the league in +/-; is 6th in the league in blocks; plays really solid defense; and can chip in ~30 points. And to top it off he's going to be on a great caphit for the next 2-3 seasons. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better top 4 LHD than that for one of your 2nd line forwards.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:47 p.m.
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Quoting: GMs
27OA + Graves isn’t good value for Domi
Lehkonen > Jost
We’ll draft someone with that 2nd rd pick or use it to move up


Lehkonen is not better than Jost. People are just harsher on Jost because he was taken No.10 overall, but if you ignore that and just look at pure on-ice performance then Jost is a very solid 3rd liner who chips in 25-30 points and has upside for more as he's still just 22.

Graves + 1st is easily enough for Domi. In any case, I'd be happy to just keep Graves and look for a 2nd line forward elsewhere without weakening our D.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
No 2+2=.... not ......


???
Jun. 25, 2020 at 3:29 p.m.
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Lehkonen is not better than Jost. People are just harsher on Jost because he was taken No.10 overall, but if you ignore that and just look at pure on-ice performance then Jost is a very solid 3rd liner who chips in 25-30 points and has upside for more as he's still just 22.

Graves + 1st is easily enough for Domi. In any case, I'd be happy to just keep Graves and look for a 2nd line forward elsewhere without weakening our D.


Lehkonen is a 25-30 points winger and he’s way better defensively than Jost + we don’t need centers + our GM Really likes Lehkonen ( and he’s right ) + Lehkonen have the potential to score 20+ goals, he missed around 25 empty net and 75 grade A chance per year. Maybe it will go in one day, but for now he’s a great 3rd liner.

MTL aren’t better with Graves than with Domi and a late 1st who might never play in the NHL doesn’t do it. We won’t move Domi for quantity, but high quality ( ex : Domi vs Brodin, Domi vs BUF 2020 1st, Domi vs Heinola and 2020 1st rd pick ). High prices, probably no team welling to do it, so we’ll keep him, he’s one of our best forward
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 3:54 p.m.
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Tatar makes more sense to me. Domi is young and under team control. He fits Montreal's timeline in terms of their contention window. Tatar is a ufa after next year and may very well want to go elsewhere. He doesn't fit the timeline.

Additionally, Tatar with Kadri and Burakovsky seems to make a lot of sense. Domi not quite as much. If something happens between these teams, my guess is it's Tatar and Graves involved. Personally I'd prefer that anyway.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 4:53 p.m.
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Quoting: gregb569
I'm not a COL/MTL fan but if the 2 teams were to make a blockbuster, I'd like to see Drouin reunite with Mack. Their Moosheads days were legendary to say the least


Nah. It’s almost a universal thought among all avs fans that’s the last thing they want is drouin on the team with mack

He would never play with him if he was on the team, he’s too terribly defensively to be paired with mack
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 7:21 p.m.
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I know the other Habs ACGMs will jump all over me but I like the trade

Assuming we are able to sign Graves and Jost to 3x$3M contracts.
I see Avalanche ACGMs signing Graves and Jost to these type of contracts all the time on their posts, but I'm assuming that Graves and Jost would want more to play in Montreal.
I think Graves is close to what we have been looking for since Markov.

The reality is that at least 1 of Domi, Danault, Tatar or Drouin will have to go by the start of the 2021 season
I want a #1 LD and Graves might be the best one available for Domi
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 7:46 p.m.
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I know the other Habs ACGMs will jump all over me but I like the trade

Assuming we are able to sign Graves and Jost to 3x$3M contracts.
I see Avalanche ACGMs signing Graves and Jost to these type of contracts all the time on their posts, but I'm assuming that Graves and Jost would want more to play in Montreal.
I think Graves is close to what we have been looking for since Markov.

The reality is that at least 1 of Domi, Danault, Tatar or Drouin will have to go by the start of the 2021 season
I want a #1 LD and Graves might be the best one available for Domi


Thanks for weighing in with a well-balanced and reasoned take. I really appreciate that you elaborated on your reasoning.

I don't see why signing Graves to $3m x 3 years would be an issue. I see his contract range being between $2.5m x 2 years and $3m x 3 years, but I think he'd resign in Colorado for $2.75m x 3 years. That might not seem like a lot, but after years of bouncing around the AHL I think he'll be very satisfied with an $8.25m payday. And he'd be hitting UFA at 28 (speaking of which maybe you'd want to go $3.5-4m x 4 years instead to get some extra term out of him).

As for Jost, he's an RFA without arbitration rights, so I think you can sign him cheap. His comparables are probably Sam Bennet ($1.95m x 2 years and then $2.55m x 2 years) and Lawson Crouse ($1.533m x 3 years). I think $2m x 2 years is probably fair, alternatively $2.5m x 3, but you can probably squeeze him down to around $1.5m for 1-2 years.

I completely agree with what you're saying about Graves being a good fit. I also agree that it's obvious that one of your top 6 forwards needs to be moved, especially given the talent you have coming through (ie. Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Caufield, No.8 pick, etc), and opportunities to add relatively young cost-controlled top 4 LHD's like Graves are pretty scarce.

I don't think Sakic is interested in a rental, so that rules out Tatar or Gallagher (not that Montreal would trade Gallagher anyways as he's the heart-and-soul of that team). I don't see any interest in Drouin due to his lack of defense and poor offense this season. But Domi ticks a lot of boxes for Colorado.

Sakic went after Burakovsky last offseason as an RFA, and I foresee him doing the same here. Bringing in an RFA is the perfect scenario as it adds a young player with term, and allows us to tailor the contract AAV and term to our situation.

Graves would be hard to give up, but although he's a very good shutdown top 4D and cheap to keep around, he's likely only going to be our 3rd pair LHD once Byram establishes himself (which hopefully won't take too long), and thus makes sense to trade if there's a good player available. It would be a risk to go without Graves in the top 4 next season, but in Cole (and possibly Zadorov if he is resigned) we would have enough cover to insulate Byram until he's ready to step into a top 4 role.

Regarding the overall trade, do you think the value is fair for both sides? Do you see any way it could be improved?
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Jun. 25, 2020 at 7:57 p.m.
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Expansion Draft protection (7+3+1):

- Mackinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Burakovsky, Domi, Compher
- Makar, Girard, Johnson (NMC)
- Grubauer

Exposed: Donskoi, Nichuskin, Lehkonen, Zadorov, Francouz

That's a pretty good selection for Seattle to choose from, and I could see arguments for picking any of those 5 players.
Jun. 25, 2020 at 9:34 p.m.
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Quoting: gregb569
I'm not a COL/MTL fan but if the 2 teams were to make a blockbuster, I'd like to see Drouin reunite with Mack. Their Moosheads days were legendary to say the least


it would depend on the price. not willing to pay a blockbuster price for drouin. most id consider is a 2nd + 3rd in value, same as what it cost to get burakovsky.
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
it would depend on the price. not willing to pay a blockbuster price for drouin. most id consider is a 2nd + 3rd in value, same as what it cost to get burakovsky.


I don't know about that idea. If Drouin isn't scoring he's just a passenger and I think there are much better ways to spend $5.5m. It's not just the cost to acquire him that matters, but the opportunity cost involved, since Drouin would be blocking us from adding another player.

As for the trade price, for a 2nd + 3rd we could probably get Killorn instead, who offers close to the same point output (if not more based on this season), while ALSO providing grit, PK ability, and other intangibles that make him more valuable in the playoffs.
 
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