If Dubas was Better at Negotiating Contracts

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Created by: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 25, 2020

Published: Jun. 25, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Matthews signs 11Mx6
Marner signs 9.5Mx5

Marner wants to play in Toronto because it's where he grew up and his GF and family are all in Toronto. I wouldn't mind giving him a 5 year deal and then signing him for 8 afterwards.

Signing Matthews for 5 years was a terrible decision. I give him a 50% chance of leaving in 4 years unless he gets a max contract.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya	4	$2,800,000
Dermott, Travis	3	$2,400,000
Gauthier, Frédérik	1	$735,000
Faksa, Radek	4	$3,500,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Spezza, Jason		1	$700,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Matthews, Auston		5	$11,000,000
Marner, Mitchell		4	$9,500,000

Trades

TOR

Faksa, Radek [RFA Rights]

DAL

Engvall, Pierre
Johnsson, Andreas
2021 2nd round pick (TOR)

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$81,500,000	$81,466,533	$0	$0	$33,467

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,000,000$11,000,000	Marner, Mitchell $9,500,000$9,500,000
Mikheyev, Ilya $2,800,000$2,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 3	Faksa, Radek $3,500,000$3,500,000 C, LW UFA - 5	Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 2
Barabanov, Alexander $925,000$925,000 RW, LW UFA - 1		Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1
	Gauthier, Frédérik $735,000$735,000 C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Dermott, Travis $2,400,000$2,400,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 2	Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1
Marincin, Martin $700,000$700,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4
		Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 5

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:28 p.m.

Jack_

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Marner gets 7 million in that case. They wouldnt give him a 4 year contract at all

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:29 p.m.

Boomer125

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This is pointless and mute

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:31 p.m.

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Or give Marner the same AAV but for 7-8 years...

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:32 p.m.

Leafs_and_Sens_Fan

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Quoting: Jack_

Marner gets 7 million in that case. They wouldnt give him a 4 year contract at all

In what world does Marner get 7M.

Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Or give Marner the same AAV but for 7-8 years...

I just wanted to make him average at negotiating contracts not a contract negotiating genius.

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:35 p.m.

palhal

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I wouldn't blame Dubas. Shanahan and MLSE has the a whole whack of high paying executives....they should have seen league comparables and stuck to that structure.
Started with Nylander. Leafs were in first place at a 120 point season when he finally signed November 30. I would have made him sit out the season if he didn't want to a reasonable deal . 6.5m X 6 might have been an overpay.
Aho and Marner had identical stats for two seasons. 8.5m X 5 was the going rate.
Matthews, doesn't deserve to the second highest paid paid in the league, especially on a five year contract.

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Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:37 p.m.

Jetman

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It first started with Tavares getting 11M and the two youngsters getting greedy and jealous.

If Tavares signed for 10M, Matthews would have done 9-10M and Marner at 8-9M. Saving you guys 3-4M for a 1RD.

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:40 p.m.

vr1995

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4 years for marner is stupid

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.

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Quoting: vr1995

4 years for marner is stupid

It's 5 years. This is next year's team.

Quoting: palhal

I think 11Mx6 would have been fair. It's a lot better than 11.6Mx5

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.

JaredOfLondon

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/starts a "if Lou was better at negotiating contracts" thread where he signed Matthews and Nylander a year earlier to insane good contracts, got Marleau for 2x2 and Zaitsev for 1x2

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:45 p.m.

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palhal

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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan

It's 5 years. This is next year's team.

I think 11Mx6 would have been fair. It's a lot better than 11.6Mx5

Rumour was Arizona had offer sheeted a 12m X 7....unsigned by Matthews. Think I might have let Matthews sign with Arizona, Leafs would have 4 first rounders and more importantly 11.642m X 5 to spend better than Matthews . Especially in post Covid ...11.642m goes a long way.

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:45 p.m.

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blanche

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Quoting: palhal

Dubas did a bad job at signing all three kids. The comparables used should be Kucherov and Rantanen when speaking of Marner. All three are all point a game players.

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Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:56 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

Plus we wouldn't have had to trade a 1st to get rid of Marleau.

5 1sts + Tavares for Matthews. I'd do that.

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:57 p.m.

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Jack_

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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan

In what world does Marner get 7M.

I just wanted to make him average at negotiating contracts not a contract negotiating genius.

If he were to get 4 years he should have gotten 7 million

Jun. 25, 2020 at 2:58 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

Dubas' contract for Marner got vetoed. 9.5Mx3 with a high QO.

Jun. 25, 2020 at 3:58 p.m.

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palhal

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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan

Dubas' contract for Marner got vetoed. 9.5Mx3 with a high QO.

I glad it was. But his current contract should never been offered. 8.5m X 5 was the standard. 9.0 X 6 for a six year deal

Jun. 25, 2020 at 4:06 p.m.

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Quoting: palhal

I glad it was. But his current contract should never been offered. 8.5m X 5 was the standard. 9.0 X 6 for a six year deal

I agree. Terrible deal. But I disagree that you can't blame Dubas. MLSE vetoed his deal because it was even worse.

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