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5 underrated at each skater position

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Initial Creation Date: Apr. 13, 2020
Published: Jun. 27, 2020
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25$999,999,999$78,609,166$0$2,890,000$921,390,833
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
LW, RW
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Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$1,487,500$1,487,500
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$3,350,000$3,350,000
LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$728,333$728,333 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,750,000$3,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$3,125,000$3,125,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$3,300,000$3,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,800,000$4,800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,083,333$3,083,333
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Minnesota Wild
$2,875,000$2,875,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$6,000,000$6,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$4,250,000$4,250,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the New York Islanders
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 5
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$1,275,000$1,275,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$4,900,000$4,900,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$722,500$722,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$1,062,500$1,062,500
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$6,250,000$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 8
Logo of the New York Islanders
$700,000$700,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$3,875,000$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:31 p.m.
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At LW you should have Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:33 p.m.
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At LW you should have Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.


He's average. Not great at anything, not terrible at anything. He'd go on a team of overrated players if anything.
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Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:34 p.m.
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He's average. Not great at anything, not terrible at anything. He'd go on a team of overrated players if anything.


Haha nope his 2 way game is severely underrated
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:35 p.m.
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He's average. Not great at anything, not terrible at anything. He'd go on a team of overrated players if anything.


^ this is exactly why he's underrated, lol. You just proved my point - thanks.
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:36 p.m.
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you can probably remove staal, gallagher, mantha, muzzin, mcavoy, ellis, and hamilton. i think most fans know how good they are.
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:36 p.m.
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fantastic list, except Staal, fantastic xG driver, but has never converted his xG to G, which in the end is the goal, plus he did fall off defensively this year iirc
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Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:38 p.m.
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Haha nope his 2 way game is severely underrated


Again, he's quite bang average. You're proving why I'd put him on a team of overrated players.

Over a sample from 2017-2020 he has negative defensive impacts, so no, he's two-way game is not underrated.
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Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:39 p.m.
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McAvoy not underrated... Bruin fans make sure of it

Actually feels like he overrated
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:39 p.m.
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you can probably remove staal, gallagher, mantha, muzzin, mcavoy, ellis, and hamilton. i think most fans know how good they are.


Fans do indeed recognize these players are good, it's just that they don't recognize how good they are.
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Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:41 p.m.
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^ this is exactly why he's underrated, lol. You just proved my point - thanks.


What evidence do you have to support the claim that he has a good two-way game?

I'll save you some time. You'll probably respond with some eye test garbage and that I should "watch the games"
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:42 p.m.
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Klefboom at LD
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:43 p.m.
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Klefboom at LD


He's not bad, but he's not great either. Doesn't stand out as terrible or amazing.
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:45 p.m.
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Again, he's quite bang average. You're proving why I'd put him on a team of overrated players.

Over a sample from 2017-2020 he has negative defensive impacts, so no, he's two-way game is not underrated.


His XGa numbers are solid for a guy who plays with one of the worst defensive forward in the league, Draisaitl
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:47 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
His XGa numbers are solid for a guy who plays with one of the worst defensive forward in the league, Draisaitl


Since when does having negative xGA/60 and CA/60 impacts qualify as "solid"?
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Dpellz90
He's average. Not great at anything, not terrible at anything. He'd go on a team of overrated players if anything.


Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Haha nope his 2 way game is severely underrated



Here are his 5v5 P/60 for each of the last 3 years when playing with Connor or Leo:

2017-18: 2.61 P/60
2018-19: 2.06
2019-20: 3.51
Total: 2.76 P/60

That 2.76 puts him 4th in the NHL over these 3 years, just ahead of Panarin (2.75) and Malkin (2.70). Only Kucherov (3.10), McDavid (2.95). Marchand (2.83) and Stamkos (2.80) produced more at 5v5.

Here are his splits between those two centers:

with McDavid: 2.31
with Draisaitl: 3.21

To put these numbers into context, 2.31 puts him 25th in the NHL over the past 3 years and tied with Barkov and Huberdeau, just ahead of Bergeron and Forberg who posted 2.30 P/60. His 3.21 P/60 with Draisaitl is unmatched over the past 3 years, Kucherov is the closest at 3.10 P/60.

It's interesting that Nugent-Hopkins has made Draisaitl better too, which is incredible when you consider most of the rest of the time Draisaitl played with McDavid.

Draisaitl's 5v5 P/60 with McDavid: 3.07 (1857:31 TOI in 3 seasons: 2017-20)
Draisaitl's 5v5 P/60 with Nugent-Hopkins: 3.68 (635:07 in 3 seasons: 2017-20)

Also, Nuge is excellent on the PK and the PP.

- of 86 forwards who played >100 minutes at 4v5 this year, Nugent-Hopkins was 10th best for shots against and 3rd best for goals against.
- of 186 forwards who played >100 minutes at 5v4 this year, Nugent-Hopkins was 22nd in expected goals for and 5th in actual goals.
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Since when does having negative xGA/60 and CA/60 impacts qualify as "solid"?


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Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:51 p.m.
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What evidence do you have to support the claim that he has a good two-way game?

I'll save you some time. You'll probably respond with some eye test garbage and that I should "watch the games"


I never said anything about a 2-way game. That was another poster. But see my stats above.
Jun. 27, 2020 at 10:57 p.m.
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A) You only used a 1-year sample which can skew the results in cases of outliers.
B)Explain to me how that's solid? That shows again, that's he's mediocre at best.

In a 3 year sample, he posts a 0.038 xGA/60 and 1.13 CA/60.
Jun. 27, 2020 at 11:00 p.m.
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McAvoy not underrated... Bruin fans make sure of it

Actually feels like he overrated


Not at all. And this isn't only about one fanbase, it's throughout the league.

And great job @Dpellz90. Wasn't surprised about most players being on here but will take a look at Orlov.
Jun. 27, 2020 at 11:00 p.m.
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A) You only used a 1-year sample which can skew the results in cases of outliers.
B)Explain to me how that's solid? That shows again, that's he's mediocre at best.

In a 3 year sample, he posts a 0.038 xGA/60 and 1.13 CA/60.


Just shows how numbers change through the years and how there’s a way to make stats tell whatever you want
Jun. 27, 2020 at 11:00 p.m.
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Hamilton is UNDERRATED?
Jun. 27, 2020 at 11:05 p.m.
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Its a decent team but i wish you would have utilized a little more of your 900 million dollar budget.
Jun. 27, 2020 at 11:11 p.m.
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Here are his 5v5 P/60 for each of the last 3 years when playing with Connor or Leo:

2017-18: 2.61 P/60
2018-19: 2.06
2019-20: 3.51
Total: 2.76 P/60

That 2.76 puts him 4th in the NHL over these 3 years, just ahead of Panarin (2.75) and Malkin (2.70). Only Kucherov (3.10), McDavid (2.95). Marchand (2.83) and Stamkos (2.80) produced more at 5v5.

Here are his splits between those two centers:

with McDavid: 2.31
with Draisaitl: 3.21

To put these numbers into context, 2.31 puts him 25th in the NHL over the past 3 years and tied with Barkov and Huberdeau, just ahead of Bergeron and Forberg who posted 2.30 P/60. His 3.21 P/60 with Draisaitl is unmatched over the past 3 years, Kucherov is the closest at 3.10 P/60.

It's interesting that Nugent-Hopkins has made Draisaitl better too, which is incredible when you consider most of the rest of the time Draisaitl played with McDavid.

Draisaitl's 5v5 P/60 with McDavid: 3.07 (1857:31 TOI in 3 seasons: 2017-20)
Draisaitl's 5v5 P/60 with Nugent-Hopkins: 3.68 (635:07 in 3 seasons: 2017-20)

Also, Nuge is excellent on the PK and the PP.

- of 86 forwards who played >100 minutes at 4v5 this year, Nugent-Hopkins was 10th best for shots against and 3rd best for goals against.
- of 186 forwards who played >100 minutes at 5v4 this year, Nugent-Hopkins was 22nd in expected goals for and 5th in actual goals.


He has posted an xGF/60 impact greater than 1 standard deviation from the mean 3 (or 4) times in his career. While that is nothing to laugh at, it's not doesn't make him look groundbreaking as you're making him out to be. Even playing with Draisaitl or McDavid hasn't boosted him as much as you may think (unless you look at raw point totals, which are misleading to say the least).

Defensively he's about as average as you can get.

He's not good on the PK either as since 2017 he's posted a -2.2 SHD GAR.
Jun. 27, 2020 at 11:15 p.m.
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He has posted an xGF/60 impact greater than 1 standard deviation from the mean 3 (or 4) times in his career. While that is nothing to laugh at, it's not doesn't make him look groundbreaking as you're making him out to be. Even playing with Draisaitl or McDavid hasn't boosted him as much as you may think (unless you look at raw point totals, which are misleading to say the least).

Defensively he's about as average as you can get.

He's not good on the PK either as since 2017 he's posted a -2.2 SHD GAR.


Um, goals, and by extension assists, are how they figure out who won the game. Expected goals aren't as predictive as you might think, they are basically just shots weighted by location/ distance from the net. And every site has a different method of calculating them, none is particularly accurate.

Goals are literally the only thing that matters - for and against.
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Jun. 28, 2020 at 1:54 a.m.
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I would definitely include Jared Spurgeon, Jonas Brodin and Valeri Nichushkin on here
 
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