Detroit would laugh in your face. They need Sieder more than they need Laf. Their forward prospects aren't bad. Everywhere else is.

Stop spewing nonsense - Detroit tanked on purpose to get Laf and that didn't work out - they absolutely need a superstar in Laf

Honestly, if Toronto gets 1st overall, might be better to draft Laf and trade Nylander. Get a cheap replacement and potentially another top-4 RHD who can actually play big minutes now, unlike Drysdale or Seider

Stop lying to yourself. You don't *Need* a superstar. They're always nice, don't get me wrong, but they're not essential. Plus, they could always take someone like Askarov/Drysdale with that 4th OA pick and get themselves a superstar in another position AND TANK NEXT YEAR! Strange how they can keep their best D prospects and get a superstar in a different draft huh?

Considering DRW isn’t a Laf away from playoffs it makes little to no sense. We will just pick @ 4 (most likely Perfetti) and keep Seider and we also didn’t tank on purpose. Our team is just devoid of talent so we will see top 5-10 picks for the next couple years.

Why do so many think the Leafs are in the running to sign Cernak. Your 21 man roster proves the Leafs don't have the cap.

Detroit tanked on purpose, No they didn't. Yeah they're a trash team no thanks to Holland. But a team like Detroit rich in history doesn't tank on purpose. We were a bad team that got decimated with injuries 3rd in the league with man hours lost to injuries. No team that's rich in history like Detroit tanks on purpose that's simply pure ludicrous.

Dude Toronto drafts laf and trades one of their high priced forwards for a dman. I mean thats not hard to see at all. No way that Detroit gives 2 high assets for laf. Hes good but he isn't mcdavid or mckinnon.

Yup. You take the 3 years of cheap ELC, and deal one of Marner/Nylander for a top pair RHD.

Makes no sense to trade the top pick.

It's like paying under 1M for likely a PPG player.

If the Leafs get 1st pick, they should 100% trade it.

first off; they don't deserve or expected to get it, so it's a free gift.

second; if trade offers can be had which the Leafs get a proven stud Dman and a lower pick than they're better off to use the "win now" approach.

third; Laffy is a LW'er, rarely do teams succeed with having their franchise player being a winger (sorry Ovie).

fouth; Leafs have Robertson and a talented scouting team, so they did not need a "gift" to find successful player.

fifth; the Leafs need to shed salary and if they had 1st pick, they could off load Johnsson or Kerfoot in the trade.

sixth; Leafs can trade Laffy to the Sens, who already have a mini wannabe Leaf team.

so which one is it??

Not sure how they tanked on pupose. They made the playoffs for 24 years straight and traded prospects and picks to continue streak. Sooner or later that catches up to team and it finally caught up to the Wings. It could be said Leafs traded and took on bad contracts to land Matthew's.

Wings were bad because the prospects they have are young and they did not have enough players to field a good team. That and bad contracts are what sunk the Wings this year.

My problem is not with the draft setup, but this draw was media driven and now the 8 teams who do not make it out of the qualifying round know they have a chance to draft 1st overall, where as before the qualifying round they had a chance but they were not assured, now they are assured they have a chance.

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard if you really think a team would tank on purpose YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOCKEY!

Oh absolutely hockey teams tank on purpose. It’s not the players doing it though, it’s management getting rid of almost all NHL caliber players for futures so that the team is absolute garbage. Detroit clearly didn’t do this, they were just epically bad.

I'd only trade #1 if Ottawa was giving my #3 and #5.

3 years of Laf on a ELC for the Leafs is disgustingly valuable, and frees them up to eventually trade one of Marner/Nylander.

Ok I'll buy that you being an Oilers fan and since the lottery was put into place because the other owners were sick of Edmonton always getting the 1st pick. So was that tanking or we're the Oilers just epically bad for all those seasons?

Detroit declines because you forgot to Include Mathews, nylander, Reilly and all your draft picks for this year. If you think this trade is bad, look at the trade in this thread because it's worse.

Let's trade a top 10 prospect in all of hockey who will be a #1dman to move up 3 spots. Good idea!

LMAO. That's delusional.

So is seider and the 4th for the first. It's just as unrealistic pal

There's literally one offer that whoever holds the #1 pick would entertain.


Ottawa's 2 picks for that first overall. That's it.

That's fine, but there isn't a draft pick out there besides maybe Shayne wright that I'd consider moving seider for. He's the 6th rated prospect in all of hockey

Unfortunately anything post 2010 was the team just being badly managed, so for the most part, yeah just epically bad. It was frustrating to watch them make trades trying to get better only to come out the loser in each one, every single time. I still wouldn’t call it tanking though cause they were patching holes with generally bad ( or I’ll suited) veterans while having to spend pucks to acquire them, rather than the other way around. Let’s face it, management was so incompetent they couldn’t figure out how to tank.

I understand that based on Detroit’s needs, they wouldn’t trade Seider for Lafreniere, but theoretically speaking, Lafreniere holds a lot more value than Seider. He is a franchise player who’s ceiling is as high as MacKinnon & Kane. That’s worth more than elite defencemen.

But is he worth more then a #1 franchise dman plus en elite player at 4? So going back in time makar, Byram, pietranngelo