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Created by: Onslaught77
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 1, 2020
Published: Jul. 1, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,500,000
3$700,000
4$2,100,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$700,000
1$700,000
3$1,860,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Mayfield, Scott
  2. 2020 4th round pick (NYI)
2.
CHI
  1. Dermott, Travis
  2. Johnsson, Andreas
  3. Sandin, Rasmus
  4. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
  5. 2020 6th round pick (COL)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$81,487,283$0$0$12,717

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
$1,860,000$1,860,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
UFA - 4
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$821,667$821,667
LW, RW
RFA - 4
$700,000$700,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$1,450,000$1,450,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3

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Jul. 1, 2020 at 5:30 p.m.
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Lol TOR laughs their heart out at the CHI trade and they don't accept the NYI one
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Jul. 1, 2020 at 5:32 p.m.
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I rip on AJ alot, but that's too much to send to CHI IMO.
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Jul. 1, 2020 at 5:35 p.m.
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WE ACCEPT! Pleasure doing business with you.
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Jul. 1, 2020 at 5:41 p.m.
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Considering some Leafs fans think Sandin is the reincarnation of Nicklas Lidström, I don't think they'd be willing to even consider moving him.
Jul. 1, 2020 at 5:42 p.m.
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Well that is a No from the Isles.
Jul. 1, 2020 at 5:48 p.m.
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Absolutely not from NYI.
Jul. 1, 2020 at 5:51 p.m.
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Sandin will most likely end up better than Murphy and Dermott could as well. Johnsson himself is also valuable. The fact that we're the ones adding picks is kind of weird.
Jul. 1, 2020 at 6:08 p.m.
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Chicago will take this and run
Jul. 1, 2020 at 6:09 p.m.
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Quoting: exo2769
I rip on AJ alot, but that's too much to send to CHI IMO.

Quoting: AlwaysBeleaf1919
Sandin will most likely end up better than Murphy and Dermott could as well. Johnsson himself is also valuable. The fact that we're the ones adding picks is kind of weird.


Highly unlikely Dermott is better then Murphy someday, Dermott is likely a solid 3rd pairing, maybe a #4. Sandin is hard to say, not exactly living up to expectations yet....very similar to Beaudin. Hawks have prospects Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin, Carlsson, Vlasic, Regula....last thing we need is another prospect that isn't a bonafide #1 or at least top 2. We also still have De haan, Maatta, Koekko, Murphy, Keith and Seabs. You can start appreciating the logjam Hawks have on defense.

AJ, for $3.4M cap hit, on pace for a staggering 15 goals this season, coming off a season ending knee injury resulting in surgery is not a risk many teams will want to take for his lack of production and cost. If you look at his advanced stats away from Matthews, they are pretty bad. Hawks, nor most teams, don't see much value in AJ.

So while this trade may be an overpayment, it includes a bunch of pieces the Hawks don't need and likely would just peddle away for picks, players and prospects that would benefit them.
Jul. 1, 2020 at 6:23 p.m.
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Highly unlikely Dermott is better then Murphy someday, Dermott is likely a solid 3rd pairing, maybe a #4. Sandin is hard to say, not exactly living up to expectations yet....very similar to Beaudin. Hawks have prospects Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudin, Carlsson, Vlasic, Regula....last thing we need is another prospect that isn't a bonafide #1 or at least top 2. We also still have De haan, Maatta, Koekko, Murphy, Keith and Seabs. You can start appreciating the logjam Hawks have on defense.

AJ, for $3.4M cap hit, on pace for a staggering 15 goals this season, coming off a season ending knee injury resulting in surgery is not a risk many teams will want to take for his lack of production and cost. If you look at his advanced stats away from Matthews, they are pretty bad. Hawks, nor most teams, don't see much value in AJ.

So while this trade may be an overpayment, it includes a bunch of pieces the Hawks don't need and likely would just peddle away for picks, players and prospects that would benefit them.


You know I'm a Hawks fan. How is Sandin not living up to expectations?
Jul. 1, 2020 at 6:26 p.m.
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You know I'm a Hawks fan. How is Sandin not living up to expectations?


Key word being "yet". Won't know if he lives up to his 1st round status until he gets enough time in the NHL to determine that. 28 games is not enough to tell yet. Same thing with Beaudin, will he live up to the expectations of a 1st round pick? Hard to say so far. Point being, hard to put value on either of them.
Jul. 1, 2020 at 6:44 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Key word being "yet". Won't know if he lives up to his 1st round status until he gets enough time in the NHL to determine that. 28 games is not enough to tell yet. Same thing with Beaudin, will he live up to the expectations of a 1st round pick? Hard to say so far. Point being, hard to put value on either of them.


I think he's been outstanding personally. I do think he'll need to continue to grow defensively. He is afterall only 20. And yes that's important, but TORs system is pure offense. He can fit in today.
Jul. 1, 2020 at 6:46 p.m.
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I think he's been outstanding personally. I do think he'll need to continue to grow defensively. He is afterall only 20. And yes that's important, but TORs system is pure offense. He can fit in today.


And therein lies the rub...same with Boqvist for that matter. They can play offense, but can they actually defend? Toronto's system is pure offense which is why they can't make it out of the first round and why a team like the Hawks can light up the scoreboard on them. In other words, not a great measuring stick.
Jul. 1, 2020 at 7:02 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Considering some Leafs fans think Sandin is the reincarnation of Nicklas Lidström, I don't think they'd be willing to even consider moving him.


Literally no one thinks that
Jul. 1, 2020 at 7:02 p.m.
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What in tarnation
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Literally no one thinks that


Really? I've already seen two here who has literally said just that.

Edit: Here's some proof

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/336445/2

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/337724/3
Jul. 1, 2020 at 7:24 p.m.
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Toronto way overpays for Murphy. Kapanen for Murphy with a bit Retained to cancel out salaries is just fine. Am I right @Stan_Bowman
@ChiHawk ?
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Jul. 1, 2020 at 7:26 p.m.
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Toronto way overpays for Murphy. Kapanen for Murphy with a bit Retained to cancel out salaries is just fine. Am I right @Stan_Bowman
@ChiHawk ?


It's a better fit for both teams and fair value IMO. Depending on retention, I think Kap + 4th round pick for Murphy and $650K to $1M retained is a fair deal.
Jul. 1, 2020 at 7:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Mitch1_6
Toronto way overpays for Murphy. Kapanen for Murphy with a bit Retained to cancel out salaries is just fine. Am I right @Stan_Bowman
@ChiHawk ?


I think we're on the same page with that, but in general I think retention costs either another asset or upgrading one of our picks.

Edit: if the trade was 1 for 1 I would agree to the like 200k retention on murphy no problem.

My preferred trade is:

Chicago Blackhawks
Kap
2020 2nd round pick TOR

Toronto Maple Leafs
Murphy (1mil)
2020 3rd round pick CHI/CGY.
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Jul. 1, 2020 at 9:43 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Really? I've already seen two here who has literally said just that.

Edit: Here's some proof

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/336445/2

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/337724/3


Good job on finding a couple of obvious homers. Let me edit, no one reasonable says that.
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Jul. 2, 2020 at 10:13 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
It's a better fit for both teams and fair value IMO. Depending on retention, I think Kap + 4th round pick for Murphy and $650K to $1M retained is a fair deal.


That's an overpay the other way. The problem with people here is that they discount a players value to the team they are on. While other teams may not care that Kapanen has Leafs specific importance the Leafs do and the Leafs hold his contract. Agree or not a team would have to pay for that if they want him. While Sandin has a decent value he doesn't have value on the Leafs and they can't afford him. You suggest the Leafs should trade away a player who is vital to their depth for a player they can't use and that's frankly nonsense. Dermott is just not the player they need as well. People keep saying that he can play the right side but he's been almost passable on the right and he's really good on the Left. Again a player they just don't have room for. He's not a star D but he's a guy you want playing with those top 2 line guys.
The players the Leafs are going to want to trade are the players that don't fit right now. It doesn't hurt the team. Trading Kapanen would 100% hurt the team because on the Leafs in case of injury Kapanen can move up the Lineup replacing Nylander when he has to play centre or if he or Marner get hurt. Suggesting they throw a Dman they don't have a spot for in there to keep a player they can't use is laughable. The need Kapanen. That's why to get him would require an overpay and Dubas himself has said that.
Johnsson is good but he's salary they can't really afford. He's replaceable from a Leafs perspective.
I don't see Dermott on this team Next season. I don't see Sandin here either. LD players aren't as hard to find as right. You guys are adding value based on who you like. Who I like is irrelevant. Who the Leafs need is very relevant.
As far as who the Hawks need, it's a rebuild, they need everything. Older players will be coming out and newer players coming in and they are looking 2-3 seasons from now. It's cold but it's true. Picks and young players are key. Can you honestly say Either Dermott or Sandin is a Morgan Reilly? If not they just don't fit. I hated the Idea of trading Kadri and hate him all you want he's a fantastic player but he got traded because he was a tradable valuable asset that was a luxury. Both Dermott and Sandin are Luxuries and ones other teams need.
Jul. 2, 2020 at 10:23 p.m.
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Well that is a No from the Isles.


That was a trade from multiple sources who say that Mikheyev is a player they need. I hate the idea personally but it makes sense for both teams. I think it's an overpay by the Leafs but hey we are all entitled to our opinion.
Just for reference, straight out of Europe 8 goals in 15 assists for 23 points in 39 games and he's not at his ceiling yet by any stretch at 25. He's also a +7
Jul. 2, 2020 at 10:30 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Really? I've already seen two here who has literally said just that.

Edit: Here's some proof

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/336445/2

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/337724/3


Some fans overblow his importance but he's not and likely won't be Morgan Reilly so he's just not a need. He's a luxury and a Luxury the Leafs can't afford and other teams need. The Leafs can't keep him with guys like Robertson coming out of the minors and the players they have. It's a superstar team and good players who aren't great players that are a luxury that gets sacrificed. As much as some Leafs fans want to act like it Sandin and Dermott aren't worth JT or Matthews. They aren't even worth Marner even if He's a million or two overpaid. Even together they just don't have enough of a season wide impact. That's what it takes to make a team like this work.
Jul. 2, 2020 at 11:21 p.m.
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Some fans overblow his importance but he's not and likely won't be Morgan Reilly so he's just not a need. He's a luxury and a Luxury the Leafs can't afford and other teams need. The Leafs can't keep him with guys like Robertson coming out of the minors and the players they have. It's a superstar team and good players who aren't great players that are a luxury that gets sacrificed. As much as some Leafs fans want to act like it Sandin and Dermott aren't worth JT or Matthews. They aren't even worth Marner even if He's a million or two overpaid. Even together they just don't have enough of a season wide impact. That's what it takes to make a team like this work.


While I disagree with those guys regarding Sandin's value, it's still clear that he will be a great offensive defenseman, and while being cost controlled asset players like him are all important to TOR.

They wouldn't swap Sandin for Murphy 1-on-1.
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Jul. 2, 2020 at 11:24 p.m.
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That was a trade from multiple sources who say that Mikheyev is a player they need. I hate the idea personally but it makes sense for both teams. I think it's an overpay by the Leafs but hey we are all entitled to our opinion.
Just for reference, straight out of Europe 8 goals in 15 assists for 23 points in 39 games and he's not at his ceiling yet by any stretch at 25. He's also a +7


Show a source.

Isles have too many forwards under contract already and are trying to move some out.
Jul. 2, 2020 at 11:43 p.m.
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@Warrior24 From eyes on Isles "In 39 games, Mikheyev has 23 points. That's a 48 point pace over a full season. His 2.44 points at 5on5 per 60 are better than every single Leafs forward who's played more than a handful of games including Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and John Tavares.

His Corsi-for and Fenwick-for are top five for the team. His shots-for, expected goals-for percentage, scoring chances-for, and high-danger chances for percentage are top ten for the Leafs."
But as I said it's an overpay the Leafs probably should find a better deal. The Islanders would be ripping off the Leafs.
 
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