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Which of these NYI-COL trades would each team do

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Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 2, 2020
Published: Jul. 2, 2020
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Which of these trades would NYI and COL fans be comfortable doing?

1) Wilde for Jost

2) Wilde, Komarov, 2022 2nd for Jost

3) Wilde, Komarov ($500K retained), 2021 3rd for Jost

4) Wilde, Komarov, 2021 1st for Jost, 2021 1st
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COL
    Bode Wilde
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      Tyson Jost
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      1. 2022 2nd round pick (NYI)
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      Leo Komarov
      Bode Wilde
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        Tyson Jost
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        1. 2021 3rd round pick (NYI)
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        Bode Wilde
        Leo Komarov ($500k retained)
        NYI
          Tyson Jost
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          1. 2021 1st round pick (NYI)
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          Bode Wilde
          Leo Komarov
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          1. 2021 1st round pick (COL)
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          Tyson Jost
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          Jul. 2, 2020 at 12:25 p.m.
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          I wouldn’t do any of then
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 1:03 p.m.
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          Quoting: AndrewLadd
          I wouldn’t do any of then


          Really? I would. Cheap (probably less than $2.5M on a new deal) and gets rid of Komarov's deal.

          I'd do any of them but the last one.
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 1:05 p.m.
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          Quoting: slapshot723
          Really? I would. Cheap (probably less than $2.5M on a new deal) and gets rid of Komarov's deal.

          I'd do any of them but the last one.


          You’d even do Wilde for Jobst straight up?
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 1:58 p.m.
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          Quoting: AndrewLadd
          You’d even do Wilde for Jobst straight up?


          If we make other cap saving moves, then yeah sure.
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 3:01 p.m.
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          Quoting: slapshot723
          If we make other cap saving moves, then yeah sure.

          I see jost as a bust, while Wilde still holds a lot of potential. If we were to trade Wilde, I’d rather it be a large scale trade where Wilde is a big prospect thrown into it
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 3:07 p.m.
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          Quoting: AndrewLadd
          I see jost as a bust, while Wilde still holds a lot of potential. If we were to trade Wilde, I’d rather it be a large scale trade where Wilde is a big prospect thrown into it


          Probably right.
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          Jul. 2, 2020 at 3:44 p.m.
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          Quoting: AndrewLadd
          I see jost as a bust, while Wilde still holds a lot of potential. If we were to trade Wilde, I’d rather it be a large scale trade where Wilde is a big prospect thrown into it


          Would you do the others where we dump Komarov? I think makes it worth it. Give up a good prospect and a camp dump for a decent NHLer that's green enough to maybe realize his potential.
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.
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          Quoting: slapshot723
          Would you do the others where we dump Komarov? I think makes it worth it. Give up a good prospect and a camp dump for a decent NHLer that's green enough to maybe realize his potential.

          If I had to choose I’d choose option 3, but that’s a maybe
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:20 p.m.
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          Quoting: AndrewLadd
          If I had to choose I’d choose option 3, but that’s a maybe


          Yeah definitely a maybe. Depends on other moves. I think Jost has some nice potential, and we can use more versatile forwards. After the mess we had at 3C this year, I'd like to bring in more guys who can play center and wing. Jost can do that.

          If any of Barzal, Nelson, Pageau, or Cizikas gets hurt, we have NO ONE.
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          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:22 p.m.
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          Edited Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
          Quoting: AndrewLadd
          I see jost as a bust, while Wilde still holds a lot of potential. If we were to trade Wilde, I’d rather it be a large scale trade where Wilde is a big prospect thrown into it


          Jost is not a bust, farthest thing from it. If you want to say hes underwhelming sure but hes a solid 3rd line NHLer who makes an impact in terms, his underlying numbers for shot suppression and supporting offence with zone entries....he makes positive impacts when he plays.

          he is one of the better 1st round forwards from his draft class, which is super weak, but doesnt make him a bust. Hes goign to stick around in the NHL for some time in a defensive PK type role. If his offence ever becomes more consistent he will be that teams token fan favourite working class player

          Wilde seemed to have a disaster development season last year in the AHL and went back to Junior. I know hes young and still has potential but thats not what you want to see in an important Dev year. You can say you love the potential more bc its more tempting but Jost is not a bust, hes an effective NHLer at 22 years old
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          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:36 p.m.
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          Quoting: slapshot723
          Yeah definitely a maybe. Depends on other moves. I think Jost has some nice potential, and we can use more versatile forwards. After the mess we had at 3C this year, I'd like to bring in more guys who can play center and wing. Jost can do that.

          If any of Barzal, Nelson, Pageau, or Cizikas gets hurt, we have NO ONE.


          That’s a good point
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:39 p.m.
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          Quoting: coga16
          Jost is not a bust, farthest thing from it. If you want to say hes underwhelming sure but hes a solid 3rd line NHLer who makes an impact in terms, his underlying numbers for shot suppression and supporting offence with zone entries....he makes positive impacts when he plays.

          he is one of the better 1st round forwards from his draft class, which is super weak, but doesnt make him a bust. Hes goign to stick around in the NHL for some time in a defensive PK type role. If his offence ever becomes more consistent he will be that teams token fan favourite working class player

          Wilde seemed to have a disaster development season last year in the AHL and went back to Junior. I know hes young and still has potential but thats not what you want to see in an important Dev year. You can say you love the potential more bc its more tempting but Jost is not a bust, hes an effective NHLer at 22 years old


          Wilde's injury was bad for his season, but Devon Toews and Calvin deHaan had similar injuries in the AHL, and they turned out completely fine. It's something you can make a full recovery from and not have it affect your game. If the Avalanche like the prospect and are confident in his future, they shouldn't be scared off by his injury.

          What you said about Jost is very interesting. Someone I'd definitely be interested in.
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          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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          Quoting: coga16
          Jost is not a bust, farthest thing from it. If you want to say hes underwhelming sure but hes a solid 3rd line NHLer who makes an impact in terms, his underlying numbers for shot suppression and supporting offence with zone entries....he makes positive impacts when he plays.

          he is one of the better 1st round forwards from his draft class, which is super weak, but doesnt make him a bust. Hes goign to stick around in the NHL for some time in a defensive PK type role. If his offence ever becomes more consistent he will be that teams token fan favourite working class player

          Wilde seemed to have a disaster development season last year in the AHL and went back to Junior. I know hes young and still has potential but thats not what you want to see in an important Dev year. You can say you love the potential more bc its more tempting but Jost is not a bust, hes an effective NHLer at 22 years old


          This is absolutely spot on.

          Jost is really solid defensively. If he can see just a modest bump of 10 points per season in production he'd be a 0.5ppg forward with excellent forechecking and defense. His career takeaway/giveaways is 71/31 which is very good, and illustrates that he's a very reliable player who doesn't hurt your team.

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          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:45 p.m.
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          Quoting: slapshot723
          Wilde's injury was bad for his season, but Devon Toews and Calvin deHaan had similar injuries in the AHL, and they turned out completely fine. It's something you can make a full recovery from and not have it affect your game. If the Avalanche like the prospect and are confident in his future, they shouldn't be scared off by his injury.

          What you said about Jost is very interesting. Someone I'd definitely be interested in.


          Josts issue has always been he never had that a lot of very good but elite level components to his game. Skating, Shoot, etc they are just were good and not wow thats an elite part of his game. But his effort is something that can never be questioned. The guy works his tail off every shift, and when I say he supports the offence (which analytics can back up) you look back at a scoring chance or a goal with Jost on the ice, he did something to support that play even if it doesnt result in an assist etc. If its forechecking, making clean zone entries from the neutral zone. The guy makes a positive impact.

          Avs fans are pretty Luke warm on him, love the kid love the effort, dont really want to trade him bc he does a lot of good things but if an offer every game around to really punch up the depth in the middle 6, no issues moving him in a clear upgrade move instead of waiting the 3-4 years for him to round out.

          Really what he willl turn into is JT Compher, that is going to be his ceiling
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:48 p.m.
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          Quoting: coga16
          Josts issue has always been he never had that a lot of very good but elite level components to his game. Skating, Shoot, etc they are just were good and not wow thats an elite part of his game. But his effort is something that can never be questioned. The guy works his tail off every shift, and when I say he supports the offence (which analytics can back up) you look back at a scoring chance or a goal with Jost on the ice, he did something to support that play even if it doesnt result in an assist etc. If its forechecking, making clean zone entries from the neutral zone. The guy makes a positive impact.

          Avs fans are pretty Luke warm on him, love the kid love the effort, dont really want to trade him bc he does a lot of good things but if an offer every game around to really punch up the depth in the middle 6, no issues moving him in a clear upgrade move instead of waiting the 3-4 years for him to round out.

          Really what he willl turn into is JT Compher, that is going to be his ceiling

          If 'all' he turns into is Compher, that would be absolutely fine by me. We're likely losing Compher to Seattle so to have Jost filling that void would be positive.
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:49 p.m.
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          This is absolutely spot on.

          Jost is really solid defensively. If he can see just a modest bump of 10 points per season in production he'd be a 0.5ppg forward with excellent forechecking and defense. His career takeaway/giveaways is 71/31 which is very good, and illustrates that he's a very reliable player who doesn't hurt your team.

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          the one thing he can do to really help out is learn how to become more of a face off specialist. He didnt play a crazy amount of time at C this year, but in his career moving forward if he can add that to his game, he will have a long NHL career
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          Jul. 2, 2020 at 4:50 p.m.
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          If 'all' he turns into is Compher, that would be absolutely fine by me. We're likely losing Compher to Seattle so to have Jost filling that void would be positive.


          thats who I see Jost turning into. Compher we tend to over rate his defensive impacts in the Avs fan base, so like you said if he can add to his point totals to be that 35pt range place with his defensive and work effort. Can easily be a cost controlled Compher.

          Only like is JT plays with more of a pesky side that will be missed, but meh you can find that else where
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          Quoting: coga16
          the one thing he can do to really help out is learn how to become more of a face off specialist. He didnt play a crazy amount of time at C this year, but in his career moving forward if he can add that to his game, he will have a long NHL career


          Yeah the one thing that fanbases here love to beat him up about is faceoffs, as if that's literally the only thing about being a center that matters. That said, he does need to improve it as you say, and if he does he could become one of those really reliable and cost-controlled bottom 6 centers that coaches love.

          He's in a bit of an awkward spot right now though, because we have plenty of capspace for 1 season, and if we want to add a top 6 forward then he's the odd man out. But fast forward 1 season to 2021/22 and it would again be very useful to have him on the roster due to his cap hit and versatility. Maybe we could just keep him around in a sort of 'Kamenev' role for a season, and then he can replace Calvert/Bellemare or whichever of Compher/Donskoi/Nichuskin gets selected by Seattle in 2021.
          Jul. 2, 2020 at 5:23 p.m.
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          Yeah the one thing that fanbases here love to beat him up about is faceoffs, as if that's literally the only thing about being a center that matters. That said, he does need to improve it as you say, and if he does he could become one of those really reliable and cost-controlled bottom 6 centers that coaches love.

          He's in a bit of an awkward spot right now though, because we have plenty of capspace for 1 season, and if we want to add a top 6 forward then he's the odd man out. But fast forward 1 season to 2021/22 and it would again be very useful to have him on the roster due to his cap hit and versatility. Maybe we could just keep him around in a sort of 'Kamenev' role for a season, and then he can replace Calvert/Bellemare or whichever of Compher/Donskoi/Nichuskin gets selected by Seattle in 2021.


          He was something like 6th on the team when it came to face off attempts. They like to harp on that but he was never learned on as a full time C. I think Landeskog was averaging more face-off per game than him.

          face-offs is more about him constantly earning contracts throughout his career. Simliar to Bellemare who avs signed for that very reason, if you are known as a specialist despite some warts to your game, there will always be a team looking for your services
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