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If Pietrangelo leaves

Created by: Sabres923
Initial Creation Date: Jul 2, 2020
Published: Jul 2, 2020 at 4:42
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
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Could they make a deal surrounding any of these players?
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Montour, RFA Brandon2$4,000,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Barbashev, Ivan
STL
    BUF
    1. Kyrou, Jordan
    STL
      BUF
      1. Sundqvist, Oskar
      STL
        Buyouts
        • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
        • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
        Retained Salary Transactions
        • Eric Staal: $1,625,000 (50%)
        • Taylor Hall: $4,000,000 (50%)
        DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
        2020
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        DAL
        2021
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        2022
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        BUF
        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
        9$81,500,000$30,862,500$1,487,500$3,487,500$50,637,500
        Left WingCenterRight Wing
        STL
        Barbashev, Ivan
        $1,475,000
        C, LW
        RFA - 1
        STL
        Kyrou, Jordan
        $758,333
        RW
        RFA - 1
        STL
        Sundqvist, Oskar
        $2,750,000
        C, RW
        UFA - 3
        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
        BUF
        Ristolainen, Rasmus
        $5,400,000
        RD
        UFA - 2
        BUF
        Miller, Colin
        $3,875,000
        RD
        UFA - 2
        Montour, RFA Brandon
        $4,000,000
        ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
        BUF
        McCabe, Jake
        $2,850,000
        LD
        UFA - 1
        BUF
        Skinner, Jeff
        $9,000,000
        LW, RW
        NMC
        UFA - 7
        BUF
        Dahlin, Rasmus
        $925,000
        LD
        RFA - 1
        BUF
        Eichel, Jack
        $10,000,000
        C
        UFA - 6
        BUF
        Jokiharju, Henri
        $925,000
        RD
        RFA - 1
        BUF
        Okposo, Kyle
        $6,000,000
        RW
        NTC
        UFA - 3
        BUF
        Johansson, Marcus
        $4,500,000
        C, LW, RW
        NTC
        UFA - 1
        BUF
        Hutton, Carter
        $2,750,000
        G
        UFA - 1

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        Jul 2, 2020 at 4:42
        #1
        dont cry
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        he's not gonna leave
        Jul 2, 2020 at 4:44
        #2
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        Quoting: dewbee
        he's not gonna leave


        Quoting: dewbee
        he's not gonna leave

        Hence the word IF.
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        Jul 2, 2020 at 4:47
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        Even if Pietrangelo leaves, I don’t quite understand why St. Louis should look for a replacement for him, they will have Parayko and Faulk for top 4.
        Jul 2, 2020 at 4:47
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        Quoting: dewbee
        he's not gonna leave


        flat cap for the next 2-3 years, the cap hit he would require would make if very difficult to retain their up and comers like Thomas and Dunn and signing Binnington to a new contract
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        Jul 2, 2020 at 4:53
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        Shibbal18
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        Quoting: dewbee
        he's not gonna leave


        Then theyre going to have to make a deal around some of those players
        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:03
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        CPDunn Untouchable
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        Quoting: Shibbal18
        Then theyre going to have to make a deal around some of those players


        Deals around Jake Allen, Alexander Steen, and Tyler Bozak specifically but I don’t think he stays so my argument is still irrelevant
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        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:13
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        Quoting: Shibbal18
        Then theyre going to have to make a deal around some of those players


        Not around Kyrou, Barbashev, or Sundqvist. Those guys are all on cost-controlled contracts under three million and trading them doesn't free up much space to keep Pietrangelo and will require us to make further moves anyway, so it's just unnecessary depth cutting.

        Look for us to move Bozak, Allen, maybe Steen, maybe even Faulk or Schwartz (though the last two significantly less likely) to keep Pietrangelo. Some combination of those contracts would actually free up meaningful cap space
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        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:16
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        Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
        Deals around Jake Allen, Alexander Steen, and Tyler Bozak specifically but I don’t think he stays so my argument is still irrelevant


        Even if he doesn't stay, I can't see us trading away any of Kyrou, Sundqvist, or Barbashev for further defensive help. Especially not for Montour, who isn't very good.
        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:21
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        Quoting: SlickWilly
        flat cap for the next 2-3 years, the cap hit he would require would make if very difficult to retain their up and comers like Thomas and Dunn and signing Binnington to a new contract


        Bozak, Allen, Steen, Gunnarsson all off the books in the next two-three years still tho. That's $18 million in cap space. And a contract lost to Seattle too- maybe Schwartz, Faulk, Perron. A Pietrangelo contract won't prevent us from re-signing the young guys.
        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:27
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        Quoting: TheEarthmaster
        Bozak, Allen, Steen, Gunnarsson all off the books in the next two-three years still tho. That's $18 million in cap space. And a contract lost to Seattle too. A Pietrangelo contract won't prevent us from re-signing those guys


        I just dont know how you afford it this year without doing some massive offloading. Both Dunn and Pietro will probably get 3M in raises each. Next year you lose Gunnarsson Bozak and Steen, but Schwartz probably gets a raise, Thomas probably gets 3M+, Kyrou probably get 2M depending on how next year goes, Binnington probably gets a 2M raise atleast if he keeps performing how he is, he sees that Bobrovsky contract and says hey get me close to that, because that dude stinks. Not saying it won't happen. Armstrong is a good GM and he probably could do it, but it would be close.
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        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:38
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        Shibbal18
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        Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
        Deals around Jake Allen, Alexander Steen, and Tyler Bozak specifically but I don’t think he stays so my argument is still irrelevant


        Sabres would be interested in Allen
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        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:39
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        Shibbal18
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        Quoting: TheEarthmaster
        Even if he doesn't stay, I can't see us trading away any of Kyrou, Sundqvist, or Barbashev for further defensive help. Especially not for Montour, who isn't very good.


        Montour is average at worst. So I wouldnt say he isnt very good, thats too extreme
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        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:39
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        Quoting: TheEarthmaster
        Not around Kyrou, Barbashev, or Sundqvist. Those guys are all on cost-controlled contracts under three million and trading them doesn't free up much space to keep Pietrangelo and will require us to make further moves anyway, so it's just unnecessary depth cutting.

        Look for us to move Bozak, Allen, maybe Steen, maybe even Faulk or Schwartz (though the last two significantly less likely) to keep Pietrangelo. Some combination of those contracts would actually free up meaningful cap space


        Ive been about trying to make an Allen deal work. I'd be interested
        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:41
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        Quoting: SlickWilly
        I just dont know how you afford it this year without doing some massive offloading. Both Dunn and Pietro will probably get 3M in raises each. Next year you lose Gunnarsson Bozak and Steen, but Schwartz probably gets a raise, Thomas probably gets 3M+, Kyrou probably get 2M depending on how next year goes, Binnington probably gets a 2M raise atleast if he keeps performing how he is, he sees that Bobrovsky contract and says hey get me close to that, because that dude stinks. Not saying it won't happen. Armstrong is a good GM and he probably could do it, but it would be close.


        Yeah, it will definitely be tight long term, not denying that, and we won't be able to keep everyone. I just think that the elite defensive talent is one of the ones that you should keep.
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        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:55
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        No thanks x 3.
        Jul 2, 2020 at 5:57
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        Quoting: Shibbal18
        Montour is average at worst. So I wouldnt say he isnt very good, thats too extreme


        You are right, he's fine, my point was more that he'll be a third pairing guy on this team and if that's the case there's cheaper options on the free market- DeMelo, Braun, Rutta are all also average at worst and will come in cheaper most likely than Montour at 4 mil, and we can get them without having to give up assets.

        Quoting: Shibbal18
        Ive been about trying to make an Allen deal work. I'd be interested


        Allen is real good and I think he would be a good pickup for Buffalo to split time with Ullmark. I think there's a real solution, that people have bandied about on here before, of a Hutton-for-Allen swap with some retained on Hutton to give us goaltending depth (assuming Hutton isn't, uh, blind anymore). Or, at least a late pick somewhere in the next few drafts, although you guys are kinda low on those.
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        Jul 2, 2020 at 7:52
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        CPDunn Untouchable
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        You don’t know how we can afford it first off its easier to get Dunn for cheap. He isn’t fully proven. Dunn takes a cheap bridge deal. Same with Thomas, Bouwmeester Bozak Steen Allen Gunnarsson all off the book gets around 19 Million off the books, but Schwartz on his stat rate performance I don’t see him taking that big of a upgrade in Cap. I hope Faulk gets taken in the Seattle Draft that’s another 6 million off the books. Sanford can be traded too, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Bortuzzo gone too. That’s 20 Million. Pietrangelo obviously it’s 7-8 Years for 9 Million. Dunn around 2-3M for a Bridge, Thomas 4 Mill for a Bridge, Binnington isn’t proven enough to say he’s worth more than 6 million on a short term deal because he did have worse stats than Allen. Perron is off the books in a few years too that’s another 4 Million. I’m half expecting Schenn to get traded because Thomas is fully capable to play 2C. Sundqvist is a cost friendly deal same with Barby and Blais. It’s more what’s leaving rather than coming in. Armstrong knows how to negotiate. He got Parayko 4 years 5.5M....
         
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