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Max Domi and Byfuglien

Created by: AvsCOL
Initial Creation Date: Jul 5, 2020
Published: Jul 5, 2020 at 11:31
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Domi, Max3$6,250,000
Burakovsky, André4$5,000,000
Graves, Ryan2$2,000,000
Jost, Tyson1$1,500,000
Nichushkin, Valeri2$2,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Byfuglien, Dustin1$3,000,000
Trades
COL
  1. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
MTL
  1. Timmins, Conor
  2. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
  3. 2021 3rd round pick (COL)
COL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (DAL)
  2. 2021 4th round pick (COL)
OTT
  1. Zadorov, Nikita [RFA Rights]
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Ian Cole: $800,000 (19%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
DAL
TOR
COL
COL
FLA
COL
2021
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
2022
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
COL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,893,095$0$5,425,000$606,905

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
COL
Landeskog, Gabriel
$5,571,429
LW, C
NTC
UFA - 1
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
COL
Rantanen, Mikko
$9,250,000
RW
UFA - 5
Domi, Max
$6,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
COL
Kadri, Nazem
$4,500,000
C
NTC
UFA - 2
COL
Burakovsky, André
$5,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
COL
Nichushkin, Valeri
$2,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
COL
Jost, Tyson
$1,500,000
C, LW, RW
RFA - 1
COL
Donskoi, Joonas
$3,900,000
RW
UFA - 3
COL
Calvert, Matt
$2,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
COL
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard
$1,800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
COL
Compher, J.T.
$3,500,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
COL
Graves, Ryan
$2,000,000
LD
UFA - 3
COL
Girard, Samuel
$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 7
COL
Grubauer, Philipp
$3,333,333
G
UFA - 1
COL
Byram, Bowen
$894,167
LD
RFA - 3
COL
Makar, Cale
$880,833
RD
RFA - 1
COL
Francouz, Pavel
$2,000,000
G
UFA - 2
COL
Cole, Ian
$3,450,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Byfuglien, Dustin
$3,000,000
RD
UFA
COL
Johnson, Erik
$6,000,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
COL
Kaut, Martin
$863,333
RW
RFA - 3

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Landeskog, G.
Kadri, N.
Rantanen, M.
MacKinnon, N.
Makar, C.
Power Play 2
Burakovsky, A.
Domi, M.
Jost, T.
Byram, B.
Girard, S.

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Jul 5, 2020 at 11:36
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remove timmins and it looks good. maybe add ranta or beaucage instead. sign him longer for $1m less.
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Jul 5, 2020 at 11:43
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Compher on line 4? He's a pretty good 3C, better than Jost at least. Johnson really going to be a scratch?
Jul 5, 2020 at 11:47
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Quoting: NickC1988
Compher on line 4? He's a pretty good 3C, better than Jost at least. Johnson really going to be a scratch?


No the lines are all junked up. Nuke would move to 4th mine bc he had good chemistry with Calvert and belle

Even the pairs with graves and girard. Not happening
Jul 5, 2020 at 11:52
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As long as we’re 100% sure Timmins will be a top 4 D, Montreal does this. Finally a Domi trade that actually takes our needs into consideration.
Jul 5, 2020 at 11:53
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
remove timmins and it looks good. maybe add ranta or beaucage instead. sign him longer for $1m less.


A low 1st and a low 3rd for Domi? What are you smoking?
Jul 5, 2020 at 12:42
#6
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
A low 1st and a low 3rd for Domi? What are you smoking?


Why do you think he’s worth more? He’s a 50-55 point center/wing that has scored 20 goals one time in his career. Maybe I’m wrong but seems like we are glorifying him. He’s also 25 that’s not that young. I expect more from a player if you are giving up this much and signing him for more than he’s worth.
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Jul 5, 2020 at 1:17
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AVS have all the pieces to make big moves to make them cup contenders for years or do nothing and wait
Jul 5, 2020 at 2:23
#8
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
A low 1st and a low 3rd for Domi? What are you smoking?


not enough to make domi the player you think he is. 1st, 3rd, + ranta/beaucage is fair.
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Jul 5, 2020 at 2:27
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Quoting: DirtyDangle
not enough to make domi the player you think he is. 1st, 3rd, + ranta/beaucage is fair.


Never mind, I have no idea how I didn’t see Ranta/Beaucage. I wasn’t thinking straight.

Edit: Although I still don’t think that’s enough for Domi.
Jul 5, 2020 at 2:38
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Why do you think he’s worth more? He’s a 50-55 point center/wing that has scored 20 goals one time in his career. Maybe I’m wrong but seems like we are glorifying him. He’s also 25 that’s not that young. I expect more from a player if you are giving up this much and signing him for more than he’s worth.


I wouldn’t call Domi a winger, so far he hasn’t shown that he can be useful on the wing. Anyways, I don’t see how you could justify a low 1st and a low 3rd, when that’s less than what it would cost to get 1.25 seasons of Blake Coleman and 3 months of Kevin Hayes. And only slightly more than 3 months of Barclay Goodrow. Domi is easily better than all 3 of those players, he’s younger, and can easily be locked up for 5+ years, which is considerably better than the other 3.
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Jul 5, 2020 at 3:00
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
I wouldn’t call Domi a winger, so far he hasn’t shown that he can be useful on the wing. Anyways, I don’t see how you could justify a low 1st and a low 3rd, when that’s less than what it would cost to get 1.25 seasons of Blake Coleman and 3 months of Kevin Hayes. And only slightly more than 3 months of Barclay Goodrow. Domi is easily better than all 3 of those players, he’s younger, and can easily be locked up for 5+ years, which is considerably better than the other 3.


Martin Erat was able to get Forsberg. Larson got Hall. 2 salary dumps an prospect + 1st got ROR. teams makes terrible trades all the time. Coleman was cheap and filled a hole Tampa needed. I don’t think 1 person thought those were good trades. Flat cap. If domi was signed for 3.5-4 million for the next 3 years his value would be better imo
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Jul 5, 2020 at 3:04
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Martin Erat was able to get Forsberg. Larson got Hall. 2 salary dumps an prospect + 1st got ROR. teams makes terrible trades all the time. Coleman was cheap and filled a hole Tampa needed. I don’t think 1 person thought those were good trades


This is the market though. These are 3 of the last 4 trades of forwards for 1st round picks. (Not including Miller, since that was obviously a different situation)

If you can find a trade that accurately shows how someone like Domi is worth a late 1st from the past few years, be my guest. And that means that there’s no pressure for the team to trade the player (like Trouba, Miller) since Montreal would be perfectly fine keeping Domi.
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Jul 5, 2020 at 3:13
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
This is the market though. These are 3 of the last 4 trades of forwards for 1st round picks. (Not including Miller, since that was obviously a different situation)

If you can find a trade that accurately shows how someone like Domi is worth a late 1st from the past few years, be my guest. And that means that there’s no pressure for the team to trade the player (like Trouba, Miller) since Montreal would be perfectly fine keeping Domi.


Stone .... he is worth way more than domi. He was moved for a 2nd a good prospect and a roster player.
Jul 5, 2020 at 3:17
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
This is the market though. These are 3 of the last 4 trades of forwards for 1st round picks. (Not including Miller, since that was obviously a different situation)

If you can find a trade that accurately shows how someone like Domi is worth a late 1st from the past few years, be my guest. And that means that there’s no pressure for the team to trade the player (like Trouba, Miller) since Montreal would be perfectly fine keeping Domi.


Vincent Trocheck for Erik Haula, Lucas Wallmark, Eetu Luostarinen and Chase Priskie
Jul 5, 2020 at 3:38
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Stone .... he is worth way more than domi. He was moved for a 2nd a good prospect and a roster player.


Quoting: Capitalfail67
Vincent Trocheck for Erik Haula, Lucas Wallmark, Eetu Luostarinen and Chase Priskie


There was pressure on Ottawa to move Stone or they’d lose him for nothing, and I don’t see how the Stone deal means Domi is worth a late 1st.

You also can’t really compare the Trocheck trade, since these are players that you can have opinions on, and we don’t know how much the Panthers like what they got, or why they were intent on trading Trocheck. Plus this return is certainly better than a late 1st and a late 3rd.
Jul 5, 2020 at 3:41
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
There was pressure on Ottawa to move Stone or they’d lose him for nothing, and I don’t see how the Stone deal means Domi is worth a late 1st.

You also can’t really compare the Trocheck trade, since these are players that you can have opinions on, and we don’t know how much the Panthers like what they got, or why they were intent on trading Trocheck. Plus this return is certainly better than a late 1st and a late 3rd.


Idk I’d rather have a 1st and a 3rd than that return
Jul 5, 2020 at 3:46
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Idk I’d rather have a 1st and a 3rd than that return


Luotstarinen = High 2nd
Haula = Mid to Late 2nd

And you’re already at better value than the other trade. Plus they get Priskie and Wallmark.
Jul 5, 2020 at 3:51
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Luotstarinen = High 2nd
Haula = Mid to Late 2nd

And you’re already at better value than the other trade. Plus they get Priskie and Wallmark.


Haula is a UFA and was a throw in to balance cap. Priskie isn’t anything so the Wallmark and Luotstarinen.
Jul 5, 2020 at 3:54
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
Haula is a UFA and was a throw in to balance cap. Priskie isn’t anything so the Wallmark and Luotstarinen.


I’d say that a 40-50 point rental is certainly worth a 2nd. And if you don’t like the other 3, that’s your opinion, and I’m not saying I disagree, but Dale Tallon obviously wouldn’t make the trade if he didn’t like the pieces coming back.
Jul 5, 2020 at 3:58
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
I’d say that a 40-50 point rental is certainly worth a 2nd. And if you don’t like the other 3, that’s your opinion, and I’m not saying I disagree, but Dale Tallon obviously wouldn’t make the trade if he didn’t like the pieces coming back.


They should have tried to flip haula since that trade wa skins of like them mailing it in
Jul 5, 2020 at 4:00
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
They should have tried to flip haula since that trade wa skins of like them mailing it in


Definitely. Or re-signed him. The Panthers make no sense.
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Jul 5, 2020 at 4:02
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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15
Definitely. Or re-signed him. The Panthers make no sense.


Yeah. Insane they paid Bob that much for him to be that bad.
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Jul 5, 2020 at 6:17
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Quoting: coga16
No the lines are all junked up. Nuke would move to 4th mine bc he had good chemistry with Calvert and belle

Even the pairs with graves and girard. Not happening


Yeah not sure what happened to the D pair. Supposed to be

Graves - Makar
Girard - Byfyglien
Byram - EJ
Cole

Forward lines are correct. Nuke isn’t playing 4th line, he’s too good.
 
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