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Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 6, 2020
Published: Jul. 6, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
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2$700,000
2$700,000
2$700,000
1$1,000,000
2$1,000,000
2$2,750,000
2$2,750,000
3$4,000,000
5$5,000,000
6$6,750,000
2$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,000,000
2$1,750,000
2$2,000,000
Trades
PHI
  1. Miller, Colin
  2. Mittelstadt, Casey [RFA Rights]
  3. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
Buyouts
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2020
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2021
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2022
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23$81,500,000$80,232,500$1,487,500$4,337,500$1,267,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 3
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
UFA - 3
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
LW, C
UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
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$845,000$845,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$864,166$864,166
RD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 6, 2020 at 3:55 p.m.
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Outside of the Eichel trades this may be the worst trade idea I have seen for the Sabres. I wouldn't trade 8 o/a for those players with nothing else included on the Sabres end
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.
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Outside of the Eichel trades this may be the worst trade idea I have seen for the Sabres. I wouldn't trade 8 o/a for those players with nothing else included on the Sabres end


Underrating Patrick and overrating the value of the pick and Mittelstadt, Miller for Gostisbehere makes a ton of sense separately
Jul. 6, 2020 at 3:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Underrating Patrick and overrating the value of the pick and Mittelstadt, Miller for Gostisbehere makes a ton of sense separately


I would love the idea of Nolan Patrick, but it’s way too risky. Plus it’s not crazy to say 8th overall could be better than Nolan Patrick right now, migraines and concussions are hard to come back from.
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 4:00 p.m.
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I would love the idea of Nolan Patrick, but it’s way too risky. Plus it’s not crazy to say 8th overall could be better than Nolan Patrick right now, migraines and concussions are hard to come back from.


see it as high risk high reward, but maybe Mittelstadt and the second round pick is closer in terms of value or just the first without Mittelstadt
Jul. 6, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
Underrating Patrick and overrating the value of the pick and Mittelstadt, Miller for Gostisbehere makes a ton of sense separately


Miller for Ghost works, but Patrick may never play in the NHL again. Mitts is like Patrick high risk high reward. I would rate them about even as far as value. Patrick has shown better at the NHL level but not much better and with Mitts there are no injury concerns. If you offer the deal with no pick I think the Sabres consider it if there doctors are confident that Patrick can play again and overcome the migraines
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 4:12 p.m.
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Miller for Ghost works, but Patrick may never play in the NHL again. Mitts is like Patrick high risk high reward. I would rate them about even as far as value. Patrick has shown better at the NHL level but not much better and with Mitts there are no injury concerns. If you offer the deal with no pick I think the Sabres consider it if there doctors are confident that Patrick can play again and overcome the migraines


Think you have to add to Mittelstadt to make up for value as it seems doctors are confident in his recovery, 2nd probably fair as Philly has to gain something to downgrade on potential upside
Jul. 6, 2020 at 4:15 p.m.
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I would love the idea of Nolan Patrick, but it’s way too risky. Plus it’s not crazy to say 8th overall could be better than Nolan Patrick right now, migraines and concussions are hard to come back from.


Agreed 8 o/a could be closer to playing a game in the nhl at this point then Patrick and also the player would definitely be projected to have a much higher ceiling
Jul. 6, 2020 at 4:21 p.m.
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I would love Patrick but dont feel like he is worth a deal with our 2020 pick considering he hasn't proven anything yet, mainly cause of injury
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 4:23 p.m.
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Think you have to add to Mittelstadt to make up for value as it seems doctors are confident in his recovery, 2nd probably fair as Philly has to gain something to downgrade on potential upside


I think Patrick is worth a high second at this point not more. He has not played in nearly 15 months. If we are trading our second Mitts is not in the deal as he has that value also
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 4:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Marino4Norris
see it as high risk high reward, but maybe Mittelstadt and the second round pick is closer in terms of value or just the first without Mittelstadt


As a Flyers fan, Mittelstadt has shown me nothing of interest. I would prefer the first to him and a second.
Jul. 6, 2020 at 4:52 p.m.
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I 1000% have more faith in Mittelstadt than Patrick and am not paying an 8oa for someone who missed an entire season due to concussions. I wish him the best, I dont want to see a career go out like that, but OMG theirs no way I take a gamble like that.
Jul. 6, 2020 at 5:14 p.m.
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As a Flyers fan, Mittelstadt has shown me nothing of interest. I would prefer the first to him and a second.


He isn't worth the first on it's own. He is worth the second. Even with no health concerns he isn't worth 8th o/a. He has shown to be a high end 3C or low end 2C. 8 o/a projects to be a top 6 forward and very possibly a first line player.
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 6:22 p.m.
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He isn't worth the first on it's own. He is worth the second. Even with no health concerns he isn't worth 8th o/a. He has shown to be a high end 3C or low end 2C. 8 o/a projects to be a top 6 forward and very possibly a first line player.


Patrick doesn't get traded unless Philly thinks the deal benefits them, so 8oa is definitely the starting ask. They don't move him for a 2nd
Jul. 6, 2020 at 6:25 p.m.
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Patrick doesn't get traded unless Philly thinks the deal benefits them, so 8oa is definitely the starting ask. They don't move him for a 2nd


Then he definitely stays. I don't imagine there are alot of gms that would be wanting to acquire him
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 6:27 p.m.
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Then he definitely stays. I don't imagine there are alot of gms that would be wanting to acquire him


It's just a mock trade.... was only making the point that a trade with Buffalo makes sense as they need (but will have difficulty acquiring) a 2C. He represents a risky option with high upside
Jul. 6, 2020 at 6:44 p.m.
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He isn't worth the first on it's own. He is worth the second. Even with no health concerns he isn't worth 8th o/a. He has shown to be a high end 3C or low end 2C. 8 o/a projects to be a top 6 forward and very possibly a first line player.


Oh yeah, I agree that the trade does not make much sense. Patrick is a wild card with his migraine disorder, Mittelstadt is has not been great, colin miller is fine, and ghost hasn't performed up to his ability (and honestly is a prime candidate to succeed with a fresh start).

Just from a perspective of which I would rather have the 8OA or mittelstadt and a 2nd, it's the 8OA all day... non-buffalo perspective on it.
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 6:47 p.m.
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Patrick doesn't get traded unless Philly thinks the deal benefits them, so 8oa is definitely the starting ask. They don't move him for a 2nd


If you want Patrick for a second round pick, sign an offer sheet. With the flat cap, we have no room so if you are willing to 1-year deal in the 3.5-4.2m range, it may be enough.
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 7:13 p.m.
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Patrick doesn't get traded unless Philly thinks the deal benefits them, so 8oa is definitely the starting ask. They don't move him for a 2nd


I wouldn't want him as our 2C plan even if there were no injury concerns.
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 7:14 p.m.
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Oh yeah, I agree that the trade does not make much sense. Patrick is a wild card with his migraine disorder, Mittelstadt is has not been great, colin miller is fine, and ghost hasn't performed up to his ability (and honestly is a prime candidate to succeed with a fresh start).

Just from a perspective of which I would rather have the 8OA or mittelstadt and a 2nd, it's the 8OA all day... non-buffalo perspective on it.


Yeah we wouldn't give you Mitts and the second it would be one or the other
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Jul. 6, 2020 at 9:07 p.m.
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Buffalo decline
Jul. 7, 2020 at 9:11 a.m.
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As a Flyers fan, Mittelstadt has shown me nothing of interest. I would prefer the first to him and a second.


to be fair, as a sabres fan Patrick has shown me nothing of interest. This is a high risk high reward trade for each team. Neither of them have proven anything
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Jul. 7, 2020 at 9:51 a.m.
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to be fair, as a sabres fan Patrick has shown me nothing of interest. This is a high risk high reward trade for each team. Neither of them have proven anything


Completely get it, completely agree. I was hoping to see strides in Patrick's offense this season (and last), but only has shown flashes of his talent level. Aside from the few highlight-reel plays, his production is just ok (.42 pts/game). I will say that his 200-foot game was fairly advanced for his age. I'd love to see him back on the ice in a 3C role for us.

From what I understand about Mittelstadt, he produced less in a more offensively-minded usage (especially his first two years). We have some prospects competing for icetime (e.g., Morgan Frost) that fit a similar mold albeit with lower expectations.
Jul. 7, 2020 at 10:39 a.m.
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Completely get it, completely agree. I was hoping to see strides in Patrick's offense this season (and last), but only has shown flashes of his talent level. Aside from the few highlight-reel plays, his production is just ok (.42 pts/game). I will say that his 200-foot game was fairly advanced for his age. I'd love to see him back on the ice in a 3C role for us.

From what I understand about Mittelstadt, he produced less in a more offensively-minded usage (especially his first two years). We have some prospects competing for icetime (e.g., Morgan Frost) that fit a similar mold albeit with lower expectations.


Agreed, im a very big Patrick fan. I think he can be a solid 2C in the league. Mitts was rushed into the NHL when he needed to develop still. He should have stay in college another year or two but instead sabres decided to feed him to the wolves as a 2C at Im pretty sure only 19 years old. Mitts can be very good and unlike many fan, Ill say I dont think he is a bust. Not sure how you can label a player a bust at 20/21 years old but some people do. Long Story short, I think both players have potential to be very good players in this league at the 2C position. I do give Patrick the edge as he plays a much more complete game
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