I mean value is ok or close to it for both but ANA doesn't fix anything with this. Try Armia, Mete («replacement» for Fowler) and Fleury and throw in pick(s) and maybe they accept

ANA would be idiots to not accept, their biggest weakness is scoring.... they're getting a legit first liner in this trade, a young d man who's already nearly as good as Fowler and a pick...

Right but Tatar is 30 or so I figure he wants to win that's why I see him going to a contender for the 21-22 season unless he REALLY likes MTL

I think after next year ANA could compete at least for a playoff spot, with a top 6 of
Tatar-Zegras/Rossi-x
Comtois-Zegras/Rossi-Rakell
Tons of depth, Gibson still in net, an utterly stupid LD (Lindholm-Mete-Mahura-Guhle-Larsson-Thrun-LaCombe) sign a top 4 RD or smth and that's a solid team (projecting for the year after Tatar's contract is up, GMBM could say this is gonna be the roster we're looking at)

Except Zegras, Jones, Comtois, Terry and others will need time to reach their primes... I wouldn't be shocked to see them moving from Rakell next year

yeah... in 2 years... Zegras is already a Calder favorite (behind Laf and Kaprisov) for next year, he's got another year of development, and guys like Comtois and Terry who are 20-22 rn will be entering their primes then lol (23-28)

No, thanks. Fowler is a year younger than Tatar and signed for FIVE years more. Add Brook, Fleury and the Montreal second and maybe it's close.

To put it another way, Fowler is at least as valuable as Muzzin, factoring in his contract, so we'd be looking for a first-round pick or the equivalent (i.e., a LONG-term asset), a good prospect and a Reserve List-level player. Montreal's first is too valuable for that purpose, so there has to be balancing compensation. I think Anaheim would only be interested in the Montreal and St Louis seconds and two prospects, but I'm not sure which.

A year after next and we don't have Tatar.

that would be the pitch to resign Tatar, say hey, wet can compete if we bring you back

Keep Lindgren and the Blues accept.

So we should trade the sure thing of 5 more years of Cam Fowler for the possibility of signing an older Tomas Tatar?

Sorry, we don't think that way.

Don't forget the younger top 4 d man in Mete and the pick...

If you think Mete is anywhere close to Fowler in value, you're an extremely poor judge of talent. Moreover, he isn't half as good as Fowler was at his age. After his first three seasons (195 games), Fowler had scored 16 goals and 64 assists and had clearly established that he would be a team leader in the future. Mete didn't record a goal in his first two seasons, has recorded 31 points in 171 games and nobody is measuring him for an "A." Finally, we don't need a LD of any kind, so the very inclusion of Mete in this trade argues against it.

Points are useless for d men, Mete is at worst just as good as Fowler defensively, and before this year Mete would have been better defensively without a question, obv we dont need an LHD, but that doesn't mean Mete doesn't have value, for the short term at least he would be by far our second best LHD, and even if we don't end up keeping him, Tatar rn>>>>>Fowler (and would easily be our best forward)... I'd gladly take that risk, and worst case scenario we got a top 4 d man and second for Fowler... best case scenario we get a first liner which we don't currently have+the top 4 d man and pick, and if we know Tatar isn't staying we can probably flip him next deadline for a first+

Once again Cam Fowler has a 4 team trade list, And once again Montreal isn't on it. Hoping to get Fowler to Montreal just isn't happening.

This is simply nonsensical thinking. The very idea that with 6 LD's under contract and 2 prospects projected to be much better than Mete that we should be interested in him even short-term is idiotic. There are so many other errors in this analysis I won't even waste my time or my readers' time listing them, let alone refuting them.

I'm not saying he should be the main piece in a trade, but he should have value, even if we just look to flip him... top 4 d men have value. (and Lacombe has about the same ceiling as Mete is rn, and Larsson and Guhle have lower ceilings than how good Mete is rn)

You keep saying that Mete is a "top-4 d-man" like I should take that on faith. I don't, and I don't see that. I'll take my chances that Djoos, Larsson or Mahura will be at least as valuable to us short-term and that at least one of Jackson LaCombe and Henry Thrun will be better in the long term.

I return once again to the Muzzin trade for comparison. Tatar is a one-year rental, not the equivalent of a first-round pick. I see no indication that Mete will have any greater effect than Carl Grundstrom, and I don't see a comparison between the 30th pick and the 40th (give or take).

This would be an absolutely awful trade for Anaheim.

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1250802651484368901
And that kind of underrates him tbh, he had a bit of a down tear this year, he probably improves in ANA (especially with more usage etc)... you don't want to look at Djoos'... he has been a train wreck (outside ANA)

Idk if you're comparing Fowler or Tatar to Muzzin, but Tatar is just as good as Muzzin (and both are better than Fowler) Grundstrom probably has a bit of a higher ceiling than Mete, but you know what you're getting in Mete, Grundstrom could still bust, and easily not develop to be as good as Mete, and idk what you mean about the picks, comparing 30th-40th to what...? Each other...?

I plan on looking at Djoos a lot this year.

Speaking of which, I've watched both Fowler and Muzzin for their entire careers here in California and no, Muzzin isn't better, he has a different skill set and he's a couple of years older. So Fowler and his contract are worth just as much to us as Muzzin was to LA and Toronto.

The bottom line is that no intelligent GM trades a #1 LD who is signed for 5 more seasons after this one for one year of Tomas Tatar and a second-round draft pick.

Muzzin>>>>>Fowler, ESPECIALLY before this year... we've had this discussion before... Fowler isn't a 1LD... at best he's a LOW LOW end 2 (ig technically that COULD be a 1 LD... but that's a big stretch) but more realistically a solid 3

Your evaluations are absurd.

Lol, a simple name change does a lot