LA laughs

Kings decline.

Carolina reject. Hornqvist is a worse contract, and CAR are not retaining LOL

good 3rd pairing D man for a good 2L/3L Center/Winger and bad 3rd pairing D man doesn't seem that crazy to me. LA can temporarily shield one of their many young Cs with McCann and move him to wing when they are ready. Adds to their speed factor they've been pivoting to. Johnson is bad but drags down the value of a cheap young C that has looked fine playing as high as 2C due to injuries, allowing LA to acquire him for just a 3rd pairing D man. JJ on a 3rd pair to mentor one their young RHD seems like something many GMs would be fine with if it means you can get a young cheap fast C.

No chance Los Angeles does that. Absolutely none. Zero.

They have the same remaining years and Jordan Staal makes more money and produces less LOL so you are wrong about all of that

Why is Carolina retaining and giving the better pick, makes no sense.

They are basically the same contract. Same term remaining and with retention basically same cap hit. Comes down to which player you value more. I personally value what Staal could bring to this particular team slightly more if we can add Craig Smith to basically perform a Hornqvist like role but with more speed. Most people, however, would absolutely value Hornqvist more and they would have a decent case. He just outscored Staal by 5 points in 15 less games and we all know about his pest element.

McCann wouldn't push out Kempe or Vilardi on the second line and it's doubtful he'd be an improvement on Moore or Lizotte on the third line. Meanwhile, Johnson would eat nachos in the pressbox watching Anderson, Bjornfot, Clague and an anticipated free agent playing LD. His value is minus, so this trade wouldn't be a good one for Los Angeles even if you added in your 2020 second, which you don't have.

Staal is a top 10 defensive forward in the league bud. He's FAR better than Hornqvist who does very little at either end. You are wrong about all of that xD

This trade is bad for pit. McCann holds more value than Matt Roy. Sure Johnson is a negative value, but there are better ways to move him. Pens have no need for Roy with Letang/Marino on the right side. Roy is also expansion eligible so we’d just lose him for nothing

Thoroughly entertaining to read though.

Staal is a top 10 defensive forward in the NHL analytically. It's the same contract,, but so is Lucic and MacKinnon. It doesn't mean they have the same value. Staal is by FAR the more valuable player. Staal, not only is Carolina's best defensive forward, but is also the captain and the 3C. We don't have anyone to fit that role, and we don't have the cap space to take Hornqvist. Just no. Staal to PIT could work, for sure, but Hornqvist is not coming back to Carolina. Not without Pittsburgh adding a FAIR bit

Staal hasn’t been a top 10 Defensive forward in years. Hornqvist right now is probably the better player. Both contracts aren’t great, but Hornqvist is likely to end his contract on the LTIR. He won’t play out the entire contract and it’s insured.

You have no idea what Jordan Staal is like then. Staal is EASILY a top 10 defensive forward. He's been that way since we acquired him. He's EASILY better than Hornqvist. This is a dumb argument.

But wait . . . there's more! See the companion thread "If We Get Laf"

Why would Pittsburgh give up McCann for Matt Ruhwedel-v2.0 Roy?

The Pens coaches like Johnson. People need to accept that and move on. You'll be happier for it.

McCann outscored every single one of those players mentioned. Now, Kempe is a decent player and Vilardi is a good prospect so I won't argue against those two too much but suggesting all those players mentioned are definitely better options than McCann is silly. And that he wouldn't be a better option on the 3rd line or Trevor Moore (?!) is ridiculous.

Wow he is? Then why did he finish 22nd in selke voting last year? And 25th the previous year? And only finished in the top 10 1 time the past 5 years? And hornqvist does very little at either end? Thats weird considering hes scored 15+ goals 7 straight years and 5 20+ goals in those 7 years (and was on pace to do it again this year). You keep trying, but keep making yourself look clueless. Probably should stop at this point

You’re one of the worst accounts on this site. Idk why I even bother arguing with you. Absolute complete homer bias. Staal has gotten significantly worse since canes have added him and he’s by no way, shape, or form one of the best defensive centres in the league. Same BS when you said Aho is better than Eichal. Everybody is bias towards their team, but you sir are another level

He’s one of the worst accounts on here man. Just ignore. There’s no logic or reason with this guy.

All hes talking about is staals defense lol. Hes trying to justify paying a 3c $6 mill just because hes good at defense

Yes he is. He doesn't get the respect he deserves for it, and if you wanna keep Hornqvist over Staal fine, but boy oh boy, don't question Staal's defence kiddos

You said hes top 10. So why hasn't he finished top 10 in selke voting then?

Same reason Burns won the Norris. Voters don't exactly know everything. If the person who deserved the award always got it, Mark Stone would have literally renamed the Selke by now. so shush your mouth