SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

Sabres

Created by: Shibbal18
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 7, 2020
Published: Jul. 7, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$800,000
3$2,800,000
2$900,000
2$874,125
4$4,000,000
3$2,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,900,000
3$3,600,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Quinn, Jack
3$925,000
Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Pilut, Lawrence [RFA Rights]
  2. Thompson, Tage [RFA Rights]
2.
VGK
  1. Davidsson, Marcus [Reserve List]
  2. Montour, Brandon [RFA Rights]
3.
PHI
  1. Miller, Colin
  2. Reinhart, Sam [RFA Rights]
  3. Ruotsalainen, Arttu
  4. 2021 1st round pick (BUF)
Additional Details:
Top 10 protected
Buyouts
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the DAL
2021
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
2022
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$77,969,958$1,487,500$4,337,500$3,530,042
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the New Jersey Devils
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,333,333$4,333,333
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$9,000,000$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$874,125$874,125
LW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$2,800,000$2,800,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$1,900,000$1,900,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
RD
RFA - 1
$3,600,000$3,600,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$2,850,000$2,850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$864,166$864,166
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$900,000$900,000
RW, C
UFA - 2

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Jul. 7, 2020 at 12:33 p.m.
#1
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2019
Posts: 1,638
Likes: 585
Would have to assume philly declines and hoping Buff wouldnt over pay for miles wood
Jul. 7, 2020 at 12:34 p.m.
#2
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2020
Posts: 4,422
Likes: 1,457
Couturier starts with EIchel. Not this
krzyk0 and Dan10900 liked this.
Jul. 7, 2020 at 12:42 p.m.
#3
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4,292
Likes: 2,340
Quoting: keep_ups12
Couturier starts with EIchel. Not this


It doesn’t. But Buffalo doesn’t have the assets for Couthrier.
Shibbal18 and dzmets liked this.
Jul. 7, 2020 at 12:50 p.m.
#4
Avatar of the user
Joined: Sep. 2017
Posts: 1,848
Likes: 756
Quoting: keep_ups12
Couturier starts with EIchel. Not this


i wouldn't say it starts with Eichel, but it certainly includes Cozens and this years first as a min...
with no cap increase, guys like Couturier will see their value skyrocket...(assuming they are on the market)
Jul. 7, 2020 at 12:57 p.m.
#5
Thread Starter
Shibbal18
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2016
Posts: 25,167
Likes: 8,984
Quoting: keep_ups12
Couturier starts with EIchel. Not this


What is Philly adding? Eichel = 2 Couturiers, minimum
dzmets liked this.
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:03 p.m.
#6
Thread Starter
Shibbal18
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2016
Posts: 25,167
Likes: 8,984
Quoting: Mike_Gartner
i wouldn't say it starts with Eichel, but it certainly includes Cozens and this years first as a min...
with no cap increase, guys like Couturier will see their value skyrocket...(assuming they are on the market)


The Sabres are giving up Reinhart who is not that far behind Couturier and 3 years younger and may cost 2 mill more for similar production while Couturier exploded out of nowhere then started trending down this year again
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:20 p.m.
#7
Avatar of the user
Joined: Sep. 2017
Posts: 1,848
Likes: 756
Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres are giving up Reinhart who is not that far behind Couturier and 3 years younger and may cost 2 mill more for similar production while Couturier exploded out of nowhere then started trending down this year again


yeah, no...Couturier is a fringe 1C and as solid as they come and making $4.3 for 2 more seasons in a flat cap.
if you think 59 in 69 is "trending down", what do you call Skinner's banger of a $9M season?
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:37 p.m.
#8
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2020
Posts: 4,422
Likes: 1,457
Quoting: Sabres923
It doesn’t. But Buffalo doesn’t have the assets for Couthrier.


tears of joy tears of joy a selke candidate isn't worth Eichel? I mean if I was philly, I would be hesitant to do Cout for Eichel 1 for one

Quoting: Mike_Gartner
i wouldn't say it starts with Eichel, but it certainly includes Cozens and this years first as a min...
with no cap increase, guys like Couturier will see their value skyrocket...(assuming they are on the market)


Are you kidding me? Why do people think that you can just give up s*** for star players. It STARTS with Eichel, no less.

Quoting: Shibbal18
The Sabres are giving up Reinhart who is not that far behind Couturier and 3 years younger and may cost 2 mill more for similar production while Couturier exploded out of nowhere then started trending down this year again


Reinhart isn't far behind Couts? Is this a joke? I love how sabres fans just a week ago were saying "reinhart only does good with Eichel" and now he is being compared to Couts.

Eichel = 2 Couts?!?!?!?!!?

@KakkoForMauriceRichardAward your smart. Please help me here
ALitteral liked this.
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:37 p.m.
#9
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2020
Posts: 2,709
Likes: 1,053
Quoting: Mike_Gartner
yeah, no...Couturier is a fringe 1C and as solid as they come and making $4.3 for 2 more seasons in a flat cap.
if you think 59 in 69 is "trending down", what do you call Skinner's banger of a $9M season?


Skinner contract is a disaster and was when he signed it. Coming off a 40 goal season and UFA he was worth 7AAV not 9. I dont think Couturier is trending down still on pace for 70 pts per 82 but that does not equal Rrinhart plus a first. Reinhart has proven to be a much better player than Couturier was at this point in his career and will likely be on par or just below where Couturier is now for many a few more years moving forward than Couturier will
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:41 p.m.
#10
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 596
Likes: 328
Quoting: Shibbal18
What is Philly adding? Eichel = 2 Couturiers, minimum


Let us take a look at the totals for two centers since 2015-16 season:
A: 354 Games, 337 Points (137G, 200A) -60 +/- 216 EVP 118 PPP
B: 360 Games, 284 Points (111G, 173A) 77 +/- 228 EVP 53 PPP
Please tell me which is worth double the other because I don't see it. If you want more numbers, the advance stats wont make the case any stronger.

I will admit that Eichel is a more dynamic player and understand that he was the only thing going for Buffalo for his first few years, but to say he is worth 2x Couturier is wishful thinking (especially since 2x the cap hit would be <9million).

TL;DR: 2x Couturier > Eichel > Couturier
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:42 p.m.
#11
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2020
Posts: 1,450
Likes: 576
Another crappy Sabres ACGM paying quantity over quality for a legit top six Center. Ain’t happening guys. Not Hertl nor Couturier. Best to focus on Cozens development and draft Lundell.
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:47 p.m.
#12
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2020
Posts: 2,709
Likes: 1,053
Quoting: keep_ups12
tears of joy tears of joy a selke candidate isn't worth Eichel? I mean if I was philly, I would be hesitant to do Cout for Eichel 1 for one



Are you kidding me? Why do people think that you can just give up s*** for star players. It STARTS with Eichel, no less.



Reinhart isn't far behind Couts? Is this a joke? I love how sabres fans just a week ago were saying "reinhart only does good with Eichel" and now he is being compared to Couts.

Eichel = 2 Couts?!?!?!?!!?

@KakkoForMauriceRichardAward your smart. Please help me here


Is Bergeron worth Draisaitl because he has one multiple Selkes and Draisaitl struggles defensively of course not. Eichel point shares are significantly higher than Couturier and Jack is obviously much younger. Agreed that I cannot imagine Philly tradung him as he is on a great contract being a late bloomer similar to MacKinnon in Colorado
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:51 p.m.
#13
Thread Starter
Shibbal18
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2016
Posts: 25,167
Likes: 8,984
Edited Jul. 7, 2020 at 2:12 p.m.
Quoting: Mike_Gartner
yeah, no...Couturier is a fringe 1C and as solid as they come and making $4.3 for 2 more seasons in a flat cap.
if you think 59 in 69 is "trending down", what do you call Skinner's banger of a $9M season?


Am I swapping Skinner for Couturier? 59 in 69 is a .10 ppg decrease year over year. Just basic math. Also "fringe 1C" so hes a good 2C forced to play the 1C role. Youre kinda proving my own point there
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:57 p.m.
#14
Thread Starter
Shibbal18
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2016
Posts: 25,167
Likes: 8,984
Quoting: keep_ups12
tears of joy tears of joy a selke candidate isn't worth Eichel? I mean if I was philly, I would be hesitant to do Cout for Eichel 1 for one



Are you kidding me? Why do people think that you can just give up s*** for star players. It STARTS with Eichel, no less.



Reinhart isn't far behind Couts? Is this a joke? I love how sabres fans just a week ago were saying "reinhart only does good with Eichel" and now he is being compared to Couts.

Eichel = 2 Couts?!?!?!?!!?

@KakkoForMauriceRichardAward your smart. Please help me here


Couturier only does good with Voracek and Giroux, he has 8 points without them. See how easy that is. https://public.tableau.com/shared/9GX4CKKCH?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
Reinhart is not far off theirs the data. Just cause someone bows to your opinion doesnt make them smart, I'd currently think the opposite of them.
Jul. 7, 2020 at 1:59 p.m.
#15
Thread Starter
Shibbal18
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2016
Posts: 25,167
Likes: 8,984
Edited Jul. 7, 2020 at 2:05 p.m.
Quoting: ALitteral
Let us take a look at the totals for two centers since 2015-16 season:
A: 354 Games, 337 Points (137G, 200A) -60 +/- 216 EVP 118 PPP
B: 360 Games, 284 Points (111G, 173A) 77 +/- 228 EVP 53 PPP
Please tell me which is worth double the other because I don't see it. If you want more numbers, the advance stats wont make the case any stronger.

I will admit that Eichel is a more dynamic player and understand that he was the only thing going for Buffalo for his first few years, but to say he is worth 2x Couturier is wishful thinking (especially since 2x the cap hit would be <9million).

TL;DR: 2x Couturier > Eichel > Couturier


Couturier couldnt carry a team to relevance like Eichel can/has. The Sabres dont have a Giroux. They have a Voracek, but they dont have a 2C like Hayes or depth like Laughton
Jul. 7, 2020 at 2:26 p.m.
#16
Avatar of the user
Joined: Sep. 2017
Posts: 1,848
Likes: 756
Quoting: Shibbal18
Couturier couldnt carry a team to relevance like Eichel can/has. The Sabres dont have a Giroux. They have a Voracek, but they dont have a 2C like Hayes or depth like Laughton


Eichel carried what team to relevance?
Jul. 7, 2020 at 2:28 p.m.
#17
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 596
Likes: 328
Quoting: Shibbal18
Couturier couldnt carry a team to relevance like Eichel can/has.


The Sabres drafted in the top 10 every year since 2012, so there should be other talent there to support Eichel... but the real issue is the team isn't relevant on the national stage. Nobody out of market tunes in to watch him on a nightly basis.

All of this said, I get it. Eichel is an elite offensive weapon. Full stop.
Jul. 7, 2020 at 2:28 p.m.
#18
Avatar of the user
Joined: Sep. 2017
Posts: 1,848
Likes: 756
Quoting: Shibbal18
Am I swapping Skinner for Couturier? 59 in 69 is a .10 ppg decrease year over year. Just basic math. Also "fringe 1C" so hes a good 2C forced to play the 1C role. Youre kinda proving my own point there


you are missing my point, i was not comparing Skinner and Couts - i was referencing what you think is a trend down, which just isn't true - basic math or not.
when i say he is a fringe 1C, I mean he isn't McDavid or Mac - not mix my words.

Reinhart is not on the same level as Couts - not even close...
Jul. 7, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.
#19
Thread Starter
Shibbal18
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2016
Posts: 25,167
Likes: 8,984
Edited Jul. 7, 2020 at 3:27 p.m.
Quoting: ALitteral
The Sabres drafted in the top 10 every year since 2012, so there should be other talent there to support Eichel...
True, their isnt so that doesnt change my argument.
Quoting: ALitteral
but the real issue is the team isn't relevant on the national stage. Nobody out of market tunes in to watch him on a nightly basis.

The Buffalo Market is stronger than almost all of the other markets. We're almost always top 3 in viewership. for the NHL not just the Sabres. Even after a decade of losing
Quoting: ALitteral
All of this said, I get it. Eichel is an elite offensive weapon. Full stop.
Jul. 7, 2020 at 2:50 p.m.
#20
Thread Starter
Shibbal18
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jan. 2016
Posts: 25,167
Likes: 8,984
Quoting: Mike_Gartner
you are missing my point, i was not comparing Skinner and Couts - i was referencing what you think is a trend down, which just isn't true - basic math or not.
Then apply that logic to Skinner and whatever point youre trying to make is invalid anyway
Quoting: Mike_Gartner
when i say he is a fringe 1C, I mean he isn't McDavid or Mac - not mix my words.

Reinhart is not on the same level as Couts - not even close...
So only superstars can be a 1C? Reinhart outpaces Couts in career PPG, theyre not as far apart as you hoped
Jul. 7, 2020 at 2:55 p.m.
#21
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 596
Likes: 328
Quoting: Shibbal18
The Buffalo Market is stronger than almost all of the other markets. We're almost always top 3 in viewership. for the NHL not just the Sabres. Even after a decade of losing


Love the diehard fans in the Buffalo area keeping the team alive and I respect their passion for the game. My point is as a fan of another team looking for the second game to watch, I am not often landing on the Sabres game.
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Submit Poll