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Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 11, 2020
Published: Jul. 11, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Team easily makes the playoffs for years to come. A legit top 6 with a decent 3rd line. They have nearly 21 million in cap space next year for Dahlin and Joker. Sign vets to 1 year deals to plug holes in 2021, and you start adding to the pipeline in the 2021 draft.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$825,000
2$2,225,000
1$1,000,000
2$4,750,000
7$7,000,000
1$2,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$775,000
1$2,000,000
Trades
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VAN
  1. Johnson, Ryan [Reserve List]
  2. Montour, Brandon [RFA Rights]
  3. Thompson, Tage [RFA Rights]
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2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$78,400,833$1,487,500$3,487,500$3,099,167
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$5,875,000$5,875,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,225,000$2,225,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$845,000$845,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
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UFA - 1
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
UFA - 4
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$3,875,000$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$825,000$825,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$864,166$864,166
RD
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ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$775,000$775,000
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Jul. 11, 2020 at 2:36 p.m.
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
you do realized how hyped girgensons was, right? Idk if you're old enough to remember the next big thing for buffalo girgensons and grigorenko. Then it was zadorov (bottom pair dman) and risto, who is very meh. Then there was Nylander, who thank God we traded. Then lets not forget about mittelstadt, the steal of the type ten.

I've been paying attention to hockey a long time. I'd put betting money that cozens is a 3rd line center.


Only gullible people thought Girgensons was a top 6 forward. The narrative then was find a 1C. I dont know a single person that thought Girgensons was a top 6 forward
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Jul. 11, 2020 at 4:30 p.m.
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Im not going to bother arguing Monahan's value eith this guy because ive done it before, proved him wrong and he still ignores it.


Oh really, where? I easily rebuffed everything you said. He leads his draft class in goals. Ok? Not for long but what does that even have to do with anything I said. Thats the only thing Calgary fans cling to and its absolutely meaningless. Hes not better than Eichel, hes going to have a reduced role, he wont be on a line with Gaudreau, he wont be on the PP with Gaudreau and Giordano, his production is going to tank and theirs not reason Buffalo should pay a franchise 1C premium for a 50-60 point 2C in Buffalo
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Jul. 11, 2020 at 4:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
Oh really, where? I easily rebuffed everything you said. He leads his draft class in goals. Ok? Not for long but what does that even have to do with anything I said. Thats the only thing Calgary fans cling to and its absolutely meaningless. Hes not better than Eichel, hes going to have a reduced role, he wont be on a line with Gaudreau, he wont be on the PP with Gaudreau and Giordano, his production is going to tank and theirs not reason Buffalo should pay a franchise 1C premium for a 50-60 point 2C in Buffalo


WTF, I'm clearly not even talking to you
Jul. 11, 2020 at 4:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
WTF, I'm clearly not even talking to you


You quoted a quote directed at me and said
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Im not going to bother arguing Monahan's value eith this guy
Jul. 11, 2020 at 4:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
You quoted a quote directed at me and said


Exactly so im not going to argue with you. You have your opinion and I have mine. I thrn went on explaining to the person I quoted that said "Monahan is a guy who likes to pass" that that is a fairly inaccurate description on what Monahan does. Monahan is known for his goal scoring not his playmaking. So a like of Skinner - Monahan - Boeser probably doesnt have a lot of synergy. That was the entire purpose of my post so stop trying to pick a fight for no reason. Its not even your ACGM so literally went out of your way to argue with me about nothing.
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Jul. 11, 2020 at 6:40 p.m.
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
No. I doubt cozens will ever come close to an 80 point campaign. Seems like a 50 point player in the making.
This would be the best top 6 we have had since the lockout. And they are all realitvely young. So not really seeing the crippling effect.
I'll take the sure thing instead of another girgensons (aka cozens)

You are correct the Cozens will not come close to an 80 pt campaign because he will be playing second line wingers, second line minutes and second PP.
But how many years did Monahan reach 80?
You are also correct that that would be our best top 6 in ages.
I never remember Girgensons being hyped.
Cozens "IS" the sure thing, he will be a consistent 50pt/yr second line center
OH YES, let me mention when O'Reilly, Lehner and Kane were on the team in the Sabres missed the playoffs by only 35 2017-'18, by 18 in 2016-'17 and 13 in 2015-'16. But somehow, the "NEXT" would be different, as you can see, the spread got worse every year O'Reilly was on the team!

Quoting: Shibbal18
Wonder how we got here 9 years on. Was it because we let our prospects develop or was it because GMTM came in and traded them all for win now players who were all gone within 4 years

OMG, how many times have I said that in the past and been lambasted for that.
I agree let's not do it again.
It took 5 major fails for the team to miss the preliminaries (PP and PK, Hutton, Skinner, combination of Rodrigues, Sheary and Vesey all having career worse years) much less be on the heals of the Leafs.

Quoting: SalamiCheese
A terrible deal for Buffalo, Monahan is overvalued much more than Cirelli, without Gaudreau, he will not be able to lead the line. We have the second line is three players who can only score and do not know how to defend, except that only Boeser.

Last year Gaudreau was on his line over 85% of the time.
I agree with you, if Sam and Dominik were his line mates he would be hard pressed to break 50 pts.
Dylan is the real deal, he had more pts and goals in 51 games this year than in 68 last year.
He may be ready next year, if not I can wait another year for Dylan.

Finally, I know I am a minority, but Tage, Casey, Dominik and Dylan could all make contributions next year. Time will tell if I am correct and I will gladly go on this site and admit it this time next year if I am wrong.
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Jul. 11, 2020 at 7:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Shibbal18
You clearly missed my point even though i typed it in there. Monahan wont be the number 1 center on the Sabres PP. So if you take away that PP time youre theoretically taking away 30% of his goals and 30% of his points. Or if he is put on the 2nd PP unit and his time is now halved thats a possibility of a 15% in reduction not even factoring in possible linemates. He isnt going to have Giordano and Gaudreau feeding him. That immediately drops his value if hes scoring 50 - 60 points instead of 80-85. Try to keep up


Quoting: Shibbal18
You clearly missed my point even though i typed it in there. Monahan wont be the number 1 center on the Sabres PP. So if you take away that PP time youre theoretically taking away 30% of his goals and 30% of his points. Or if he is put on the 2nd PP unit and his time is now halved thats a possibility of a 15% in reduction not even factoring in possible linemates. He isnt going to have Giordano and Gaudreau feeding him. That immediately drops his value if hes scoring 50 - 60 points instead of 80-85. Try to keep up


Personally, I’d definitely put Monahan on the first unit PP with this group. He’s excellent in the mid- slot bumper position. Eichel quarterbacks from his offside with an umbrella and Monahan cleans up in the slot...it’s probably the best structure for the proposed team:

Reinhart - Monahan - Olofsson/Skinner
Eichel - Dahlin
Jul. 12, 2020 at 10:24 a.m.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
You are correct the Cozens will not come close to an 80 pt campaign because he will be playing second line wingers, second line minutes and second PP.
But how many years did Monahan reach 80?
You are also correct that that would be our best top 6 in ages.
I never remember Girgensons being hyped.
Cozens "IS" the sure thing, he will be a consistent 50pt/yr second line center
OH YES, let me mention when O'Reilly, Lehner and Kane were on the team in the Sabres missed the playoffs by only 35 2017-'18, by 18 in 2016-'17 and 13 in 2015-'16. But somehow, the "NEXT" would be different, as you can see, the spread got worse every year O'Reilly was on the team!


OMG, how many times have I said that in the past and been lambasted for that.
I agree let's not do it again.
It took 5 major fails for the team to miss the preliminaries (PP and PK, Hutton, Skinner, combination of Rodrigues, Sheary and Vesey all having career worse years) much less be on the heals of the Leafs.


Last year Gaudreau was on his line over 85% of the time.
I agree with you, if Sam and Dominik were his line mates he would be hard pressed to break 50 pts.
Dylan is the real deal, he had more pts and goals in 51 games this year than in 68 last year.
He may be ready next year, if not I can wait another year for Dylan.

Finally, I know I am a minority, but Tage, Casey, Dominik and Dylan could all make contributions next year. Time will tell if I am correct and I will gladly go on this site and admit it this time next year if I am wrong.

There are very few sure things in the NHL draft, Cozens is most definitely not one.
Jul. 12, 2020 at 10:26 a.m.
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Quoting: SalamiCheese
A terrible deal for Buffalo, Monahan is overvalued much more than Cirelli, without Gaudreau, he will not be able to lead the line. We have the second line is three players who can only score and do not know how to defend, except that only Boeser.


No. Flat out wrong. One of those players has had a career high of 82 points, the other 44, while playing with Kucherov.
Jul. 12, 2020 at 10:32 a.m.
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
No. Flat out wrong. One of those players has had a career high of 82 points, the other 44, while playing with Kucherov.


Did he play regularly with Kucherov? Moreover, this is already the second solid season in Tampa. Monahan is worse than Cirelli on the defensive, he regularly plays with Gaudreau, who is the best player and leads line. Of course, he would be useful to us anyway, but not at a great price, and Calgary would not give it cheaply.
Jul. 12, 2020 at 10:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Vanderm
I checked a few PP points % for reference:

@Shibbal18

Eichel 35% PP points this year
Matthews 31%
McDavid 44%
Monahan 33%

Yup, I guess all these guys suck. McDavid is due for a massive regression next year, I guess...

Gotta know your facts...can’t use that “30% is bad” argument.

Hockey is never played with a man advantage, so you dont need players who score on the PP. Special teams dont matter.

End sarcasm
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Jul. 12, 2020 at 10:41 a.m.
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Quoting: gretzkyghosts
You are correct the Cozens will not come close to an 80 pt campaign because he will be playing second line wingers, second line minutes and second PP.
But how many years did Monahan reach 80?
You are also correct that that would be our best top 6 in ages.
I never remember Girgensons being hyped.
Cozens "IS" the sure thing, he will be a consistent 50pt/yr second line center
OH YES, let me mention when O'Reilly, Lehner and Kane were on the team in the Sabres missed the playoffs by only 35 2017-'18, by 18 in 2016-'17 and 13 in 2015-'16. But somehow, the "NEXT" would be different, as you can see, the spread got worse every year O'Reilly was on the team!


OMG, how many times have I said that in the past and been lambasted for that.
I agree let's not do it again.
It took 5 major fails for the team to miss the preliminaries (PP and PK, Hutton, Skinner, combination of Rodrigues, Sheary and Vesey all having career worse years) much less be on the heals of the Leafs.


Last year Gaudreau was on his line over 85% of the time.
I agree with you, if Sam and Dominik were his line mates he would be hard pressed to break 50 pts.
Dylan is the real deal, he had more pts and goals in 51 games this year than in 68 last year.
He may be ready next year, if not I can wait another year for Dylan.

Finally, I know I am a minority, but Tage, Casey, Dominik and Dylan could all make contributions next year. Time will tell if I am correct and I will gladly go on this site and admit it this time next year if I am wrong.


There are a lot of articles about him, take a look, he was hyped the **** up before Eichel.

https://wcmf.radio.com/articles/all-star-untouchable-fourth-line-role-player-girgensons
 
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