Canucks aren't gonna give up Hoglander

You’re not getting a first round pick for a goalie who was 2nd in save % and only has a year left on his contract lol

Marleau @6Mil fetched a 1st when the cap was thought to be increasing. I've seen plenty of fans calling Demko untouchable, so leaving him out, and your lack of a first this year, Good prospect+2nd+4th is not bad value for 2 years @6mil, What would you replace Hoglander with?

no one is going to do any of those. Your leverage is way too high. Ottawa would sneak in and take most of that cap for cheaper. Jake Allen is actually around a 2nd-3rd round pick with his performance this year so giving up a first with him is completely out of the question. rethink this entire ACGM.

I don't disagree but if it means getting rid of Eriksson it would be a good trade.

First off Marleau was 3 more years, Other teams would take Loui Eriksson for getting a 2nd. You have gone overboard on all of these. No one would do these.

Marleau had 1 year left on a 3 year contract. That is where im basing a lot of my valuation of cap space on. Toronto HAD to make a move, and that was what it cost, this summer many teams need to make moves, and few have the cap space. (And an owner who would willingly pay players...Ottawa)

I'm not as confident on the Allen trade, but given the Blue's cap space anyone with a high cap on that team isn't going to hold positive value. Without a move to clear up cap space Pietrangelo is walking.
I'm not as confident in Ottawa wading in and taking the cap for less because Melnyk is so tight with his money. They have had cap space in this rebuild, and haven't moved to leverage that space yet.

If You replace Allen with Steen/Bozak, do you do it?

In a rising cap situation that may be correct, but with a flat cap for the next 3 years teams are going to have to pay a premium to get rid of players unless they want to buy them out. There are 4 buyers for deals 2 years or over (Detroit, Ottawa, LA, and New Jersey). Colorado will take on 1 year of cap space as they need to resign Makar and Landeskog the following year then Bown Byram the year after. While there will be multiple sellers including teams that will face non-compliance buyouts as alternatives hitting their cap for years to come.

Right, and with this I am presuming that those 4 teams will be making similar deals. There wouldn't be any way for me to represent other teams taking on bad cap, but i've got to imagine that they would be getting similar value.

There are 3 teams that will take on significant goalie salary: Detroit, Ottawa, and Colorado (and the Avs are even a bit iffy on that). So a premium must be paid unless Detroit or Ottawa undercut each other. The Blues are pretty much guaranteed to move someone to keep Pietrangelo.

holy moly these are unrealistic

marleau had a no trade and was being traded to be bought out. since he was an over 35 contract his whole AAV counted against the cap. unique circumstances

I think you are spot on that Detroit will be getting Stepan (I thought they would get a 1st because of it) as the 'yotes make a run at Hall.

The guys above don't seem to take into account that owners do not want to have to pay buyouts nor do GM's want dead money on their caps for years to come and that there are only 4 buyers for these contracts because of where the cap is and where it will stay. I think they are trying to apply last few years to the trade equations when it is a whole new ballgame because of the known flat cap with an expansion draft coming up next year.

I think Hoglander is probably more untouchable for VAN than Demko is at this point, unless the Canucks don’t re-sign Markstrom. Sub in Demko for Hoglander in your proposal and I think the Canucks would definitely consider that deal. Whether Loui waives his NTC is a different story.

The Isles are not moving Noah Dobson (period) but to think that's the cost to clear $3.5m of space is comical.

Dobson was an interesting one, I had assumed he would be untouchable, but then on looking he only played half of the games out of the season, averaged 13 minutes when he was in the lineup and was replaced by acquiring Andy Greene at the deadline. Ouch. If he's untouchable management's view of how to develop him is unorthodox to say the least.

I'd rather do Demko and a 3rd

Its a move I would be behind. Honestly you could replace prospects/picks in any trade to make up equivalent value. Maybe Yzerman tries to get Arizona's 1st in '21 instead, or tries for Sodorstrom. I tried to vary because Yzerman would not exclusively acquire picks, or exclusively acquire prospects.
I think the guys above will come around. Detroit being out means that ALL our fans have been looking at is prospect report and trade scenarios (that's what losing the lottery does to you I guess.) The market for buyers is pretty barren. Lots of teams need to sell, so its going to be expensive to do so. You see in trade deadlines that value varies massively like this. Fans of teams giving dumping high cap players won't like the deals, but thats the reality of a flat cap.

I could see it, as Eriksson's contract is 2 years at 6 it wouldnt surprise me if Vancouver needed to add another pick in there, there are VERY few teams willing to take on a contract as bad as Eriksson's
(probably only 4 in the league,) and that will drive up the price. As a Wings fan I wouldn't say no to that though.

Oh if this was a normal season you would be absolutely right.
Consider this though, how many teams need to sell vs how many teams can afford to buy (Note, none NEED to, they could just wait for players to hit UFA after their team can't even afford their qualifying offer/lets them walk as a UFA, and then sign them for free)

I’m a Wings fans but none of these teams would do these trades.

I do think this would be at the level of a best case scenario for Detroit. But Giving up a 1st for 1 year of Marleau last summer would have garnered a similar response.

Wait... what now? So if we traded Tarasenko to clear cap, he'd have no positive trade value? You're very confused. Allen has the value of Allen as a player. And Allen's value is about a 3rd round pick whether we are near the cap limit or have a boatload of space. If nothing else at all, your valuation is waaay off simply because there will be teams willing to blow that offer out of the water.