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Leafs Are Done Otherwise

Created by: Amakiir
Initial Creation Date: Jul 12, 2020
Published: Jul 12, 2020 at 11:08
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya4$2,900,000
Malgin, Denis1$900,000
Åberg, Pontus1$750,000
Bracco, Jeremy1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$800,000
Barrie, Tyson3$7,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler [RFA Rights]
  2. Hronek, Filip
  3. Larkin, Dylan ($3,000,000 retained)
  4. 2021 1st round pick (DET)
  5. 2022 1st round pick (DET)
  6. 2020 2nd round pick (DET)
  7. 2021 2nd round pick (DET)
  8. 2020 3rd round pick (DET)
  9. 2020 3rd round pick (SJS)
DET
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Marner, Mitchell
  3. Kerfoot, Alexander
  4. Andersen, Frederik
  5. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
  6. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
DET
DET
SJS
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
DET
TOR
DET
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
DET
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$72,270,949$0$557,500$9,229,051
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$2,900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
DET
Larkin, Dylan
$3,100,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$7,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2
TOR
Woll, Joseph
$800,000
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
DET
Hronek, Filip
$714,166
RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3

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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:14
#1
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So this is a super obvious no. I think mostly because you have 1 tried to solve all of your problems in one trade.
and 2 forgotten that the 30 other GMs are aware you are done if you don't make a trade.
You're going to be losing any trades you make to get under the cap, if you don't accept that you will be very dissapointed.
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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:15
#2
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Drugs when not prescribed are bad, put mommy's pills down and take a nap
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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:16
#3
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Edited Jul 12, 2020 at 11:24
Are you a good friend of @MitchMarnerElite ?
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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:17
#4
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Quoting: Seider53
So this is a super obvious no. I think mostly because you have 1 tried to solve all of your problems in one trade.
and 2 forgotten that the 30 other GMs are aware you are done if you don't make a trade.
You're going to be losing any trades you make to get under the cap, if you don't accept that you will be very dissapointed.


You are correct, that's why the Leafs move Johnsson for a 4th - 7th rnd pick and Kerfoot (has a little more value playing C) for a 3rd - 5th rnd pick, opens up just under 7 million
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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:18
#5
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Quoting: TML_Tika
Are you a good friend of @MitchMarnerElite ?


This is bad for both teams
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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:21
#6
Go Wings Go
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Get off the drugs, Outside of Marner Detroit by far is giving up the best assets. And you're totally delusional if you think we're eating $3 million on Larkin while taking on roughly $11 million on Marner.
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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:22
#7
Go Wings Go
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Quoting: Boomer125
This is bad for both teams


Worse for Detroit, Basically garbage other then Marner.
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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:25
#8
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Quoting: Boomer125
This is bad for both teams


Sorry @Boomer125 I had meant this for the Author of the Post and edited original comment.
Jul 12, 2020 at 11:25
#9
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Quoting: Boomer125
This is bad for both teams


Sorry @Boomer125 I had meant this for the Author of the Post and edited original comment.
Jul 12, 2020 at 11:28
#10
Go Wings Go
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Trades for Bertuzzi, Doesn't even sign him and leaves him out of the lineup. What a freaking joke.
Jul 12, 2020 at 11:34
#11
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Worse for Detroit, Basically garbage other then Marner.


The term Garbage is absolutely nonsense - everything else headed to Detroit in this particular trade is better than anything they have - it's not a trade with any sort of realistic properties but garbage not even close bud
Jul 12, 2020 at 11:36
#12
Breadman likes Bread
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Detroit laughs.
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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:40
#13
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Boomer125
The term Garbage is absolutely nonsense - everything else headed to Detroit in this particular trade is better than anything they have - it's not a trade with any sort of realistic properties but garbage not even close bud


I think you’re both kind of right. It’s not garbage, but it is for Detroit. If you look at where Detroit is as a franchise, they are looking for pieces that will help contribute to their core in the future, while not providing on ice value now (basically, they don’t want guys that will help them get a couple more wins, while still being a bad team). So, draft picks, high ceiling prospects, very young roster players with a lot of room to develop etc.

Johnsson - would have some value to a playoff team that has a hole at 3rd line LW. For Detroit? Literal garbage.
Kerfoot - team needing a defensively responsible third line center? Hell ya. Detroit? Garbage.
A good goalie that will soon be UFA. Awesome for Carolina. Trash for Detroit.
Dermott - meh. Ya. Okay. Whatever. They’ll take him.

Then on the other side Detroit is giving up like 5 of their top 7 assets and retaining salary along the way.
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Jul 12, 2020 at 11:44
#14
MisstheWhalers
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This is pretty much a steaming pile of **** for Detroit.
Jul 12, 2020 at 12:16
#15
cheeks klapanen
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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Worse for Detroit, Basically garbage other then Marner.


well careful. I agree it's not great for DET, but it's far from "garbage". Both Kerfoot and Johnsson would play in your current team's top 6, you'd get your starting goalie, and a young D with NHL upside, so lets be careful.

That said, not worth it for DET with all of those picks, because you know they are both likely going to be top 5
Jul 12, 2020 at 12:17
#16
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marner might cost larkin with no rention and a 2021 1st. maybe not even a first (value wise, not saying the trade makes sense for either team)

hronek, bertuzzi and the other first are all better assets than anything else coming back from toronto
Jul 12, 2020 at 12:18
#17
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Quoting: leafs101
well careful. I agree it's not great for DET, but it's far from "garbage". Both Kerfoot and Johnsson would play in your current team's top 6, you'd get your starting goalie, and a young D with NHL upside, so lets be careful.

That said, not worth it for DET with all of those picks, because you know they are both likely going to be top 5


bertuzzi is better than kerfoot or johnson and hronek is better than dermott
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Jul 12, 2020 at 12:22
#18
Go Wings Go
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Quoting: leafs101
well careful. I agree it's not great for DET, but it's far from "garbage". Both Kerfoot and Johnsson would play in your current team's top 6, you'd get your starting goalie, and a young D with NHL upside, so lets be careful.

That said, not worth it for DET with all of those picks, because you know they are both likely going to be top 5


Just meaning Detroit is giving up better players, Bertuzzi is better then Johnsson and Kerfoot Hronek is better then Dermott obviously Marner is better then Larkin plus Detroit giving up 2 top 1st picls along with 2 2nds and 2 3rd Detroit easily gets the royal shaft on this trade.
Jul 12, 2020 at 12:41
#19
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Quoting: Seider53
So this is a super obvious no. I think mostly because you have 1 tried to solve all of your problems in one trade.
and 2 forgotten that the 30 other GMs are aware you are done if you don't make a trade.
You're going to be losing any trades you make to get under the cap, if you don't accept that you will be very dissapointed.


once the list gets past 4 on either side, i think its safe to say you can ignore them or take it with a grain of salt lol
Jul 12, 2020 at 12:45
#20
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Quoting: leafs101
well careful. I agree it's not great for DET, but it's far from "garbage". Both Kerfoot and Johnsson would play in your current team's top 6, you'd get your starting goalie, and a young D with NHL upside, so lets be careful.

That said, not worth it for DET with all of those picks, because you know they are both likely going to be top 5

Kerfoot would play 2C (as we have no one after Larkin) but Johnson would be 3rd liner assuming his knees hold up. Mantha, Bertuzzi, Fabbri, Zadina would play above him.
Jul 12, 2020 at 1:30
#21
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Horse****.
Jul 12, 2020 at 1:39
#22
cheeks klapanen
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Quoting: BStinson
Kerfoot would play 2C (as we have no one after Larkin) but Johnson would be 3rd liner assuming his knees hold up. Mantha, Bertuzzi, Fabbri, Zadina would play above him.


He'd have to fight Fabbri for the last spot in the top 6 but my point remains
Jul 12, 2020 at 1:50
#23
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Quoting: leafs101
He'd have to fight Fabbri for the last spot in the top 6 but my point remains


Your point is really pointless as if the trade would go through we’d have a combo of Kerfoot and Fabbri as our 1-2C and no Hronek. Those picks would be again top 4 picks for multiple years. Again extremely debatable that either let alone both would make our top 6 on the current team considering we want Fabbri to shift to C and a plethora of cap for FA. This ACGM is literally the definition of over valuing ones own players and looking solely at the needs of one team.
Jul 12, 2020 at 1:53
#24
cheeks klapanen
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Quoting: BStinson
Your point is really pointless as if the trade would go through we’d have a combo of Kerfoot and Fabbri as our 1-2C and no Hronek. Those picks would be again top 4 picks for multiple years. Again extremely debatable that either let alone both would make our top 6 on the current team considering we want Fabbri to shift to C and a plethora of cap for FA. This ACGM is literally the definition of over valuing ones own players and looking solely at the needs of one team.


oh don't get me wrong I agree that DET says no for sure
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Jul 12, 2020 at 2:42
#25
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: leafs101
well careful. I agree it's not great for DET, but it's far from "garbage". Both Kerfoot and Johnsson would play in your current team's top 6, you'd get your starting goalie, and a young D with NHL upside, so lets be careful.

That said, not worth it for DET with all of those picks, because you know they are both likely going to be top 5


Don’t worry about being careful. They get two players that would play in their top six and would be gone by the time they’re ready to compete. They would get a goalie who hits UFA soon, and would prevent them from bottoming out like they need to continue to do, and a meh young d man. It’s garbage for them.
 
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