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Leafs Are Done Otherwise

Created by: Amakiir
Initial Creation Date: Jul 12, 2020
Published: Jul 12, 2020 at 11:08
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya4$2,900,000
Malgin, Denis1$900,000
Åberg, Pontus1$750,000
Bracco, Jeremy1$750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Spezza, Jason1$800,000
Barrie, Tyson3$7,000,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler [RFA Rights]
  2. Hronek, Filip
  3. Larkin, Dylan ($3,000,000 retained)
  4. 2021 1st round pick (DET)
  5. 2022 1st round pick (DET)
  6. 2020 2nd round pick (DET)
  7. 2021 2nd round pick (DET)
  8. 2020 3rd round pick (DET)
  9. 2020 3rd round pick (SJS)
DET
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Marner, Mitchell
  3. Kerfoot, Alexander
  4. Andersen, Frederik
  5. Dermott, Travis [RFA Rights]
  6. 2022 2nd round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
TOR
DET
DET
SJS
TOR
VGK
VGK
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
DET
TOR
DET
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
DET
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$72,270,949$0$557,500$9,229,051
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$2,900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
DET
Larkin, Dylan
$3,100,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Bracco, Jeremy
$750,000
RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Korshkov, Yegor
$925,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
$7,000,000
RD
UFA - 1
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2
TOR
Woll, Joseph
$800,000
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
DET
Hronek, Filip
$714,166
RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3

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Jul 14, 2020 at 11:05
#26
Thread Starter
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 81
Likes: 25
Op here.

1) For the record, I don't actually care if the trade occurs with Detroit only or not. The point is to outline the sort of moves I think we need to make.

2) As per The Athletic's article by James Mirtle without signing any new players other than Soup and Dermot we are above the max cap. Take into account, we won't have any cap space on all our upcoming RFAs and Reilly we need to make moves!

3) Freddy expires next year and I want assets on him unless he's willing to re-sign near $5M again and he has a comeback from a very shaky season. Your smoking if you think at his age we can pay him boat loads on a long term contract even if the cap went to $85M this year. This was a very shaky season.

4) Regarding Bertuzzi, and depending on what happens with Anderson, my plan would be to either sign him to a team friendly deal or trade him or someone comparable in cap hit from the current roster for a starting goalie (perhaps from the NYR).

5) Some of you are right in that Detroit wouldn't accept the deal but this was more about anticipated value for this trade. Here's the breakdown...

Bertuzzi [RFA Rights]
-----For-----
Johnsson

Hronek
2020 2nd round pick (DET)
-----For-----
Dermot
Andersen

2021 2nd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (SJS)
-----For-----
Kerfoot

2021 1st round pick (DET)
2022 1st round pick (DET)
Larkin ($3,000,000 retained; they don't need it for the next 3 years)
-----For-----
Marner
2022 2nd round pick (TOR)

6) HALF THE LEAGUE is in cap trouble, whoever thinks it's just the Leafs is uneducated in league matters.

Finally...
You may now continue your criticism lol
@Bcarlo25 @leafs101 @BStinson @Trevorchef @AJM2466 @Seider53 @DiehardRedWingsFan58 @littlejerryseinfeld @Boomer125 @TML_Tika @Seider53 @MisstheWhalers @KingLundqvist30
Jul 14, 2020 at 11:11
#27
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 896
Likes: 555
Quoting: L_FACTOR
Op here.

1) For the record, I don't actually care if the trade occurs with Detroit only or not. The point is to outline the sort of moves I think we need to make.

2) As per The Athletic's article by James Mirtle without signing any new players other than Soup and Dermot we are above the max cap. Take into account, we won't have any cap space on all our upcoming RFAs and Reilly we need to make moves!

3) Freddy expires next year and I want assets on him unless he's willing to re-sign near $5M again and he has a comeback from a very shaky season. Your smoking if you think at his age we can pay him boat loads on a long term contract even if the cap went to $85M this year. This was a very shaky season.

4) Regarding Bertuzzi, and depending on what happens with Anderson, my plan would be to either sign him to a team friendly deal or trade him or someone comparable in cap hit from the current roster for a starting goalie (perhaps from the NYR).

5) Some of you are right in that Detroit wouldn't accept the deal but this was more about anticipated value for this trade. Here's the breakdown...

Bertuzzi [RFA Rights]
-----For-----
Johnsson

Hronek
2020 2nd round pick (DET)
-----For-----
Dermot
Andersen

2021 2nd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (SJS)
-----For-----
Kerfoot

2021 1st round pick (DET)
2022 1st round pick (DET)
Larkin ($3,000,000 retained; they don't need it for the next 3 years)
-----For-----
Marner
2022 2nd round pick (TOR)

6) HALF THE LEAGUE is in cap trouble, whoever thinks it's just the Leafs is uneducated in league matters.

Finally...
You may now continue your criticism lol
@Bcarlo25 @leafs101 @BStinson @Trevorchef @AJM2466 @Seider53 @DiehardRedWingsFan58 @littlejerryseinfeld @Boomer125 @TML_Tika @Seider53 @MisstheWhalers @KingLundqvist30


No-one thinks it's just the leafs. But as it is not just the leafs the few teams with cap space can afford to walk away from laughable offers in favour of ones that don't torpedo their futures.
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Jul 14, 2020 at 11:12
#28
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 18,638
Likes: 6,218
Quoting: L_FACTOR
Op here.

1) For the record, I don't actually care if the trade occurs with Detroit only or not. The point is to outline the sort of moves I think we need to make.

2) As per The Athletic's article by James Mirtle without signing any new players other than Soup and Dermot we are above the max cap. Take into account, we won't have any cap space on all our upcoming RFAs and Reilly we need to make moves!

3) Freddy expires next year and I want assets on him unless he's willing to re-sign near $5M again and he has a comeback from a very shaky season. Your smoking if you think at his age we can pay him boat loads on a long term contract even if the cap went to $85M this year. This was a very shaky season.

4) Regarding Bertuzzi, and depending on what happens with Anderson, my plan would be to either sign him to a team friendly deal or trade him or someone comparable in cap hit from the current roster for a starting goalie (perhaps from the NYR).

5) Some of you are right in that Detroit wouldn't accept the deal but this was more about anticipated value for this trade. Here's the breakdown...

Bertuzzi [RFA Rights]
-----For-----
Johnsson

Hronek
2020 2nd round pick (DET)
-----For-----
Dermot
Andersen

2021 2nd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (SJS)
-----For-----
Kerfoot

2021 1st round pick (DET)
2022 1st round pick (DET)
Larkin ($3,000,000 retained; they don't need it for the next 3 years)
-----For-----
Marner
2022 2nd round pick (TOR)

6) HALF THE LEAGUE is in cap trouble, whoever thinks it's just the Leafs is uneducated in league matters.

Finally...
You may now continue your criticism lol
@Bcarlo25 @leafs101 @BStinson @Trevorchef @AJM2466 @Seider53 @DiehardRedWingsFan58 @littlejerryseinfeld @Boomer125 @TML_Tika @Seider53 @MisstheWhalers @KingLundqvist30


Bertuzzi for johnsson. That’s all you need to know folks.
Jul 14, 2020 at 11:16
#29
Go Wings Go
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 28,419
Likes: 6,342
Quoting: L_FACTOR
Op here.

1) For the record, I don't actually care if the trade occurs with Detroit only or not. The point is to outline the sort of moves I think we need to make.

2) As per The Athletic's article by James Mirtle without signing any new players other than Soup and Dermot we are above the max cap. Take into account, we won't have any cap space on all our upcoming RFAs and Reilly we need to make moves!

3) Freddy expires next year and I want assets on him unless he's willing to re-sign near $5M again and he has a comeback from a very shaky season. Your smoking if you think at his age we can pay him boat loads on a long term contract even if the cap went to $85M this year. This was a very shaky season.

4) Regarding Bertuzzi, and depending on what happens with Anderson, my plan would be to either sign him to a team friendly deal or trade him or someone comparable in cap hit from the current roster for a starting goalie (perhaps from the NYR).

5) Some of you are right in that Detroit wouldn't accept the deal but this was more about anticipated value for this trade. Here's the breakdown...

Bertuzzi [RFA Rights]
-----For-----
Johnsson

Hronek
2020 2nd round pick (DET)
-----For-----
Dermot
Andersen

2021 2nd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (SJS)
-----For-----
Kerfoot

2021 1st round pick (DET)
2022 1st round pick (DET)
Larkin ($3,000,000 retained; they don't need it for the next 3 years)
-----For-----
Marner
2022 2nd round pick (TOR)

6) HALF THE LEAGUE is in cap trouble, whoever thinks it's just the Leafs is uneducated in league matters.

Finally...
You may now continue your criticism lol
@Bcarlo25 @ @BStinson @Trevorchef @AJM2466 @Seider53 @DiehardRedWingsFan58 @littlejerryseinfeld @Boomer125 @TML_Tika @Seider53 @MisstheWhalers @KingLundqvist30


laugh laugh Bertuzzi has more value then Johnsson, And you're totally delusional if you think that an aging Andersen and Dermott and a 2nd are worth Hronek that's a trash offer and no freaking way is Kerfoot worth a 2nd and 2 3rds and we sure as hell aren't retaining $3 million on Larkin while eating all of Marners contract. Like i said dude it's total trash for Detroit and only sets us back.
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Jul 14, 2020 at 11:16
#30
Romanov for Calder
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 2,472
Likes: 1,012
Ignoring the trade garbage for a second, let’s look at Barrie for SEVEN MIL. Congratulations, Toronto. You’ve ruined your cap situation. Oh, wait? You made this super extremely garbage trade that has you dump 3/4 of your quality players? Oh okay, then you’re cap is fine
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Jul 14, 2020 at 11:22
#31
cheeks klapanen
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 6,779
Likes: 3,014
Quoting: L_FACTOR
Op here.

1) For the record, I don't actually care if the trade occurs with Detroit only or not. The point is to outline the sort of moves I think we need to make.

2) As per The Athletic's article by James Mirtle without signing any new players other than Soup and Dermot we are above the max cap. Take into account, we won't have any cap space on all our upcoming RFAs and Reilly we need to make moves!

3) Freddy expires next year and I want assets on him unless he's willing to re-sign near $5M again and he has a comeback from a very shaky season. Your smoking if you think at his age we can pay him boat loads on a long term contract even if the cap went to $85M this year. This was a very shaky season.

4) Regarding Bertuzzi, and depending on what happens with Anderson, my plan would be to either sign him to a team friendly deal or trade him or someone comparable in cap hit from the current roster for a starting goalie (perhaps from the NYR).

5) Some of you are right in that Detroit wouldn't accept the deal but this was more about anticipated value for this trade. Here's the breakdown...

Bertuzzi [RFA Rights]
-----For-----
Johnsson

Hronek
2020 2nd round pick (DET)
-----For-----
Dermot
Andersen

2021 2nd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (SJS)
-----For-----
Kerfoot

2021 1st round pick (DET)
2022 1st round pick (DET)
Larkin ($3,000,000 retained; they don't need it for the next 3 years)
-----For-----
Marner
2022 2nd round pick (TOR)

6) HALF THE LEAGUE is in cap trouble, whoever thinks it's just the Leafs is uneducated in league matters.

Finally...
You may now continue your criticism lol
@Bcarlo25 @leafs101 @BStinson @Trevorchef @AJM2466 @Seider53 @DiehardRedWingsFan58 @littlejerryseinfeld @Boomer125 @TML_Tika @Seider53 @MisstheWhalers @KingLundqvist30

Don't worry, I will.

Johnsson is worth a 3rd. Bertuzzi is worth more than a first.

An expiring 30 year old goalie and a fringe top 4 for a top 4 D improving every year still on his elc. They say f*ck no

You'd be lucky to get just the 2nd rounder for Kerfoot.

Sadly, the Larkin one makes the most sense of all, but still, lets say a retained Larkin for 3 years is worth 2 firsts. Worth more, but lets just say for arguments sake. Is Marner worth 4 firsts? I wouldn't pay that much for him as an opposing team. Maybe if he was still on elc or something, but even at that 4 firsts for any winger not named Kucherov, Pastrnak, prime Kane, or prime Oveckhkin today is probably not worth it
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Jul 14, 2020 at 11:23
#32
Joined: May 2020
Posts: 2,673
Likes: 1,814
Quoting: L_FACTOR
Op here.

1) For the record, I don't actually care if the trade occurs with Detroit only or not. The point is to outline the sort of moves I think we need to make.

2) As per The Athletic's article by James Mirtle without signing any new players other than Soup and Dermot we are above the max cap. Take into account, we won't have any cap space on all our upcoming RFAs and Reilly we need to make moves!

3) Freddy expires next year and I want assets on him unless he's willing to re-sign near $5M again and he has a comeback from a very shaky season. Your smoking if you think at his age we can pay him boat loads on a long term contract even if the cap went to $85M this year. This was a very shaky season.

4) Regarding Bertuzzi, and depending on what happens with Anderson, my plan would be to either sign him to a team friendly deal or trade him or someone comparable in cap hit from the current roster for a starting goalie (perhaps from the NYR).

5) Some of you are right in that Detroit wouldn't accept the deal but this was more about anticipated value for this trade. Here's the breakdown...

Bertuzzi [RFA Rights]
-----For-----
Johnsson

Hronek
2020 2nd round pick (DET)
-----For-----
Dermot
Andersen

2021 2nd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (DET)
2020 3rd round pick (SJS)
-----For-----
Kerfoot

2021 1st round pick (DET)
2022 1st round pick (DET)
Larkin ($3,000,000 retained; they don't need it for the next 3 years)
-----For-----
Marner
2022 2nd round pick (TOR)

6) HALF THE LEAGUE is in cap trouble, whoever thinks it's just the Leafs is uneducated in league matters.

Finally...
You may now continue your criticism lol
@Bcarlo25 @leafs101 @BStinson @Trevorchef @AJM2466 @Seider53 @DiehardRedWingsFan58 @littlejerryseinfeld @Boomer125 @TML_Tika @Seider53 @MisstheWhalers @KingLundqvist30


Bertuzzi >> Johnsson
Hronek + 2 (32 OV) > Dermott + Anderson (1 year)
2+3+3 > Kerfoot
Larkin (50%) + 1 + 1 >> Marner + 2

Those Detroit picks are literally still going to be top 5 of each round since Kerfoot is now the 1C of the team. This is bad for both teams but makes absolutely no sense for Detroit and they get worse value.
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Jul 14, 2020 at 12:11
#33
Bcarlo25
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 18,638
Likes: 6,218
Bottom line, this is just a bad ACGM. We’ve all made them.
Jul 14, 2020 at 1:13
#34
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,907
Likes: 958
This scenario is....

1. Unrealistic.
2. Nothing that either team would ever consider in order to make their franchise better in the long run.
3. A complete deviation from a chosen path on both sides.
4. A worse team than that with which they started from a Leafs perspective.

I don't like any of this at all.

Hard no from me.
 
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