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Danault and a cap dump

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Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 9, 2020
Published: Jul. 14, 2020
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Free Agent Signings
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2$2,250,000
1$925,000
1$3,200,000
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Middleton, Keaton
1$700,000
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  1. Danault, Phillip
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  1. Baertschi, Sven
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (VAN)
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:31 a.m.
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    WAYYYY to much going to bring in an overpaid 3C
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:32 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    WAYYYY to much going to bring in an overpaid 3C


    You don't know much about Danault
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:35 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    WAYYYY to much going to bring in an overpaid 3C


    Overpaid ? He makes 3,08m$ until next year only. He’s not overpaid
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:36 a.m.
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    Quoting: Boomer125
    You don't know much about Danault


    I know hes a great 2 way centre, I know hes probably worth that money..

    I know that hes not as good as MacKinnon or as offensively talented as kadri therefore would be the avs 3C and any team that pays their 3C over 4 mill is in trouble with the salary cap
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:37 a.m.
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    Quoting: CLR
    Overpaid ? He makes 3,08m$ until next year only. He’s not overpaid


    Look above.. he just signed him for 5x6yrs

    Also read my last comment it's the position that shouldnt be paid that much not the player
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:41 a.m.
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    i call this the Danau-verpay
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:45 a.m.
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    Hard pass by the Avs. Literally the last thing the Avs need is a bottom 6 center, especially one who has 1yr left on his deal, will be looking for a raise, and who’s numbers in MTL won’t reflect what he would have on an Avs team where not only his ice time goes down, so his his PP time, OZS, and basically everything else.
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:47 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    I know hes a great 2 way centre, I know hes probably worth that money..

    I know that hes not as good as MacKinnon or as offensively talented as kadri therefore would be the avs 3C and any team that pays their 3C over 4 mill is in trouble with the salary cap


    It might be a bit of an overpay for a 3C, but we can afford it given how many players we're going to have on ELC's the next 3-4 years, including Newhook, Byram, Timmins, Kaut, and Bowers, if not more. By the time all of them are off their ELC's the cap will have risen, and we can move him to open up capspace.

    Having Mackinnon, Kadri/Newhook, and Danault down the middle would be the best C depth in the league and would give us a huge advantage.

    I also wouldn't rule out Newhook being started off on the wing for a couple of seasons, in which case Danault could be our 2C and would easily be worth that contract in that role as well.

    Anyways, just playing with this idea and gauging opinions. Thanks for commenting!
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:47 a.m.
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    Take out Jost or the first and I'd probably do it. Or maybe Graves, Kaut, and next year's second. Or Graves, JTC, and a third.

    In any case, Graves is worth a fair amount, so I don't think you need to add three more good pieces. Love the idea of Danault driving line 2B though, ideally with Nichushkin and Jost. Those guys seem like they'd do very well together.
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:49 a.m.
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    Quoting: csick
    i call this the Danau-verpay


    I hate that pun and everything it stands for to the point I'm stealing it when Danault re-signs
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:57 a.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    It might be a bit of an overpay for a 3C, but we can afford it given how many players we're going to have on ELC's the next 3-4 years, including Newhook, Byram, Timmins, Kaut, and Bowers, if not more. By the time all of them are off their ELC's the cap will have risen, and we can move him to open up capspace.

    Having Mackinnon, Kadri/Newhook, and Danault down the middle would be the best C depth in the league and would give us a huge advantage.

    I also wouldn't rule out Newhook being started off on the wing for a couple of seasons, in which case Danault could be our 2C and would easily be worth that contract in that role as well.

    Anyways, just playing with this idea and gauging opinions. Thanks for commenting!


    You're forgetting one thing man, a guys stat line playing 1C for the Canadiens is going to be inflated when you bring him into colorado as a 3C..

    Just look at JG pageau, and carl soderberg.

    And realise it was the current GM joe sakic that traded soderberg for basically nothing because he was getting paid too much to play 3C
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 8:59 a.m.
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    No freaking way is Danualt worth those pieces, He's no Larkin that's a vast overpay by the AVs.
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 9:02 a.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    Hard pass by the Avs. Literally the last thing the Avs need is a bottom 6 center, especially one who has 1yr left on his deal, will be looking for a raise, and who’s numbers in MTL won’t reflect what he would have on an Avs team where not only his ice time goes down, so his his PP time, OZS, and basically everything else.


    I disagree here. I think a borderline Selke caliber C is the exact thing they need. Yes he may not score as much in the role he'll play in Colorado, but you get the centerpiece of a true shutdown line that can play difficult minutes and even outscore the line they're matched up against on a number of nights. I can picture Danault, Nichushkin, and either Jost or Compher frustrating the hell out of opposing top lines, opening things up for the MacKinnon and Kadri lines, and drawing penalties. That would be a huge benefit.

    I also love having high end depth down the middle just in case Newhook doesn't step in and excel right away (or if there are injuries). One of the missteps with Jost is the organization expecting too much too soon. This would help ensure that doesn't happen with Newhook.
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 9:03 a.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    Take out Jost or the first and I'd probably do it. Or maybe Graves, Kaut, and next year's second. Or Graves, JTC, and a third.

    In any case, Graves is worth a fair amount, so I don't think you need to add three more good pieces. Love the idea of Danault driving line 2B though, ideally with Nichushkin and Jost. Those guys seem like they'd do very well together.


    It might be an overpay, but I figure that it would cost somewhere in the ballpark of that if he comes with an extension. Maybe removing one asset or downgrading the 1st would be more appropriate though as you said.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 9:04 a.m.
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    You're forgetting one thing man, a guys stat line playing 1C for the Canadiens is going to be inflated when you bring him into colorado as a 3C..

    Just look at JG pageau, and carl soderberg.

    And realise it was the current GM joe sakic that traded soderberg for basically nothing because he was getting paid too much to play 3C


    Soderberg isn't a good comparable as he was in his mid 30's and coming off a terrible playoff performance.

    We wouldn't really be trading for Danault to be a scoring line forward, but rather to be elite defensively and on the PK to really give us an edge in matchups.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 9:05 a.m.
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    Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
    No freaking way is Danualt worth those pieces, He's no Larkin that's a vast overpay by the AVs.


    What do you think his value is? I realise this is an overpay so I'm curious to hear what fair value would be.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 9:11 a.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Soderberg isn't a good comparable as he was in his mid 30's and coming off a terrible playoff performance.

    We wouldn't really be trading for Danault to be a scoring line forward, but rather to be elite defensively and on the PK to really give us an edge in matchups.


    Your litterally describing PEB

    Soderberg had a better season as colorados 2c than danault did as MTLs 1c points-wise
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 9:20 a.m.
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    The value is there but i dont think either team does it. MTL doesnt have another center ready to take on Danaults responsibilities and Colorado doesnt really need him unless Kadri was walking in FA in two years
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 9:37 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    I know hes a great 2 way centre, I know hes probably worth that money..

    I know that hes not as good as MacKinnon or as offensively talented as kadri therefore would be the avs 3C and any team that pays their 3C over 4 mill is in trouble with the salary cap


    I agree he would be for now, this trade and that contract takes care of 2 C when Kadri is up and will certainly be in the market for 7 - 8 million per
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:05 a.m.
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    Don’t think this is a very good move, over pay in trade to get a 3c behind kadri then you are blocking Newhook

    Signing Erik haula would be a simpler move of 3c options is the goal next season
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:06 a.m.
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    Quoting: Boomer125
    I agree he would be for now, this trade and that contract takes care of 2 C when Kadri is up and will certainly be in the market for 7 - 8 million per


    Alex Newhook will be the 2c once kadri contract is done, making this trade is saying your don’t believe in the kid despite being a stud prospect (who is excellent defensively as well)
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:12 a.m.
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    It might be a bit of an overpay for a 3C, but we can afford it given how many players we're going to have on ELC's the next 3-4 years, including Newhook, Byram, Timmins, Kaut, and Bowers, if not more. By the time all of them are off their ELC's the cap will have risen, and we can move him to open up capspace.

    Having Mackinnon, Kadri/Newhook, and Danault down the middle would be the best C depth in the league and would give us a huge advantage.

    I also wouldn't rule out Newhook being started off on the wing for a couple of seasons, in which case Danault could be our 2C and would easily be worth that contract in that role as well.

    Anyways, just playing with this idea and gauging opinions. Thanks for commenting!


    No you don’t mess with him on the wing, he’s a c and that’s where he’s most effective

    They tried that in college last year and it didn’t work, once he was put back to C he blew up
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:12 a.m.
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    Quoting: Boomer125
    I agree he would be for now, this trade and that contract takes care of 2 C when Kadri is up and will certainly be in the market for 7 - 8 million per


    Kadri has 2 more years at 4.5 mill and then if hes too expensive when looking to resign you have newhook most likely ready to step in as he has been progressing really well so far.. if not there will be plenty of other options by then.. why overpay and sign danault to a deal 2 years early when you know that his value higher because of inflated stats.... makes little sense in my opinion especially like @coga16 says haula would be a better option.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:14 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    Kadri has 2 more years at 4.5 mill and then if hes too expensive when looking to resign you have newhook most likely ready to step in as he has been progressing really well so far.. if not there will be plenty of other options by then.. why overpay and sign danault to a deal 2 years early when you know that his value higher because of inflated stats.... makes little sense in my opinion especially like @coga16 says haula would be a better option.


    In reality compher is fine as a 3c i don’t get your logic of over paying in trade for a guy who would be playing 14 mins a night on the 3rd line
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:16 a.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    Alex Newhook will be the 2c once kadri contract is done, making this trade is saying your don’t believe in the kid despite being a stud prospect (who is excellent defensively as well)


    Not really, if anything it's insulating the kid a little that's about it
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