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Danault and a cap dump

Created by: Richard88
Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 9, 2020
Published: Jul. 14, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
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4$5,000,000
2$2,250,000
1$925,000
1$3,200,000
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Middleton, Keaton
1$700,000
Trades
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  1. Danault, Phillip
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Extended $5m x 6 years.
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  1. Beaucage, Alex [Reserve List]
  2. Graves, Ryan [RFA Rights]
  3. Jost, Tyson [RFA Rights]
  4. 2020 1st round pick (COL)
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COL
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (COL)
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  1. Kamenev, Vladislav [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 6th round pick (FLA)
3.
COL
  1. Baertschi, Sven
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (VAN)
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:16 a.m.
    #26
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    Quoting: coga16
    In reality compher is fine as a 3c i don’t get your logic of over paying in trade for a guy who would be playing 14 mins a night on the 3rd line


    My logic?
    I'm arguing against this for the same reasons as you. I think compher was doing fine as a 3C
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:17 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    My logic?
    I'm arguing against this for the same reasons as you. I think compher was doing fine as a 3C


    No I meant Richards logic
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:19 a.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    No I meant Richards logic


    Hes been trying to find a 1st or 2nd line centre for a long time to stick him on the third line, almost every AGCM
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:35 a.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    In reality compher is fine as a 3c i don’t get your logic of over paying in trade for a guy who would be playing 14 mins a night on the 3rd line


    I think Danault would get more than 14 minutes, since he'd also be getting minutes on PK1 and PP2.
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:36 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    Hes been trying to find a 1st or 2nd line centre for a long time to stick him on the third line, almost every AGCM


    No I haven't. I think we're more likely to go for a top 6 forward, but I think it's interesting to consider the idea of a 3C as well.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:43 a.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    I think Danault would get more than 14 minutes, since he'd also be getting minutes on PK1 and PP2.


    Agree. There is no rule that dictates the "third" line gets such and such minutes. When you have two very capable lines after RML, you have the luxury of rolling the one that's clicking a bit more than the other at any given time. High end depth is a good thing if a team can afford it.
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    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:57 a.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    I disagree here. I think a borderline Selke caliber C is the exact thing they need. Yes he may not score as much in the role he'll play in Colorado, but you get the centerpiece of a true shutdown line that can play difficult minutes and even outscore the line they're matched up against on a number of nights. I can picture Danault, Nichushkin, and either Jost or Compher frustrating the hell out of opposing top lines, opening things up for the MacKinnon and Kadri lines, and drawing penalties. That would be a huge benefit.

    I also love having high end depth down the middle just in case Newhook doesn't step in and excel right away (or if there are injuries). One of the missteps with Jost is the organization expecting too much too soon. This would help ensure that doesn't happen with Newhook.


    So you want to expend young inexpensive assets, block 2 of your best young prospects, and have a massively expensive 3C for a team that already is top 5 in GA? That is not a wise expenditure of assets or cap space.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:57 a.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    I disagree here. I think a borderline Selke caliber C is the exact thing they need. Yes he may not score as much in the role he'll play in Colorado, but you get the centerpiece of a true shutdown line that can play difficult minutes and even outscore the line they're matched up against on a number of nights. I can picture Danault, Nichushkin, and either Jost or Compher frustrating the hell out of opposing top lines, opening things up for the MacKinnon and Kadri lines, and drawing penalties. That would be a huge benefit.

    I also love having high end depth down the middle just in case Newhook doesn't step in and excel right away (or if there are injuries). One of the missteps with Jost is the organization expecting too much too soon. This would help ensure that doesn't happen with Newhook.


    So you want to expend young inexpensive assets, block 2 of your best young prospects, and have a massively expensive 3C for a team that already is top 5 in GA? That is not a wise expenditure of assets or cap space.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 10:59 a.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    I think Danault would get more than 14 minutes, since he'd also be getting minutes on PK1 and PP2.


    PK1 minutes, you aren’t going to be giving him PP2 minutes when Newhook shows up in a year.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 11:09 a.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    I think Danault would get more than 14 minutes, since he'd also be getting minutes on PK1 and PP2.


    Hes 3C, wont be getting PP1 time, so his time will be 5v5 behind Mack and Kadri line and PK minutes. Might be a tad exaggeration low but really its around 18mins a night with a healthy team. And PP2 minutes is pretty negligible on this team. 1:30 goes to PP1 and PP2 gets the scraps if they dont score. (I dont even think he is on PP2)

    That doesnt seem like a great investment of assets
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 11:12 a.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    Hes 3C, wont be getting PP1 time, so his time will be 5v5 behind Mack and Kadri line and PK minutes. Might be a tad exaggeration low but really its around 18mins a night with a healthy team. And PP2 minutes is pretty negligible on this team. 1:30 goes to PP1 and PP2 gets the scraps if they dont score. (I dont even think he is on PP2)

    That doesnt seem like a great investment of assets


    Does Danault get much PP time with the Habs?
    The majority of his points are at even strength
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 11:13 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffW
    Hes been trying to find a 1st or 2nd line centre for a long time to stick him on the third line, almost every AGCM


    I think all Avs fans can agree that adding someone who is more reliable on draws would be more ideal this offseason but its not a target, avs have way too much C depth as it is.
    I really think Haula is the guy that checks off those boxes, he can play LW in the Top 6 of he can C the 3rd line. Not a flashy add but if you went down that road, its makes sense.

    A Top 6 winger is fan more important than a 3C experiment. IF you can push Donskoi down onto the 3rd line and you make it up with the combo of Compher Nuke Donskoi or Jost. You are cooking with a deep deep roster
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 11:13 a.m.
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Does Danault get much PP time with the Habs?
    The majority of his points are at even strength


    Dont know but Avs pp1 is Landy Mack Rants Kadri and Makar. I dont see any way he bumps anyone off that unit.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 11:14 a.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    So you want to expend young inexpensive assets, block 2 of your best young prospects, and have a massively expensive 3C for a team that already is top 5 in GA? That is not a wise expenditure of assets or cap space.


    On spending young assets, yeah I'm willing if the price is right. Graves is someone I'd be willing to lose, as he's a 3rd pairing guy once Byram gets a little time under his belt. I don't love losing him, but I would be okay with it to bring in more forward depth. Compher too, as I think he's a bit overpaid, and Kaut is fine, as we're probably looking at a fourth liner on a deep team. Trading any of them for a guy that helps now and for the next 6 years is okay with me, so long as Danault is reasonable with his contract demands.

    I'm also okay with a highly paid 3C, as I just don't view it like that. The team can afford two second line centers, and that's what Danault would be. Newhook can play wing with Kadri and move to the middle later in his career. That seems to be Colorado's MO anyway.

    Personally I think building two second lines is a great way to use cap space, especially when the team has an affordable but very talented back end. I love that one of those lines could be a great shutdown line as well. You don't go after a Domi to play 3C, but a Danault makes a lot of sense to me.

    All that said, I'm in favor of convincing Hall to sign for less than he's probably worth. All assets stay and you add the best player available. If that doesn't work out though, I think this would definitely be something I'm open to.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.
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    Habs better off keeping Danault if he re-signs for that term/$.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 12:01 p.m.
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    WOW! Montréal takes that deal and runs away as fast as they can. Bergevin just became the best GM in Habs history.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 12:35 p.m.
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    Quoting: coga16
    Hes 3C, wont be getting PP1 time, so his time will be 5v5 behind Mack and Kadri line and PK minutes. Might be a tad exaggeration low but really its around 18mins a night with a healthy team. And PP2 minutes is pretty negligible on this team. 1:30 goes to PP1 and PP2 gets the scraps if they dont score. (I dont even think he is on PP2)

    That doesnt seem like a great investment of assets


    Those numbers are off. Our top 5 PP guys this season (Mackinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Makar) all average over 3:30 - 4:07. Then there's a group of 4 players between 2:03 and 2:24, followed by 2 at 1:41 and 1:42. So even on PP2 he'd get about 2mins of TOI. And Danault would indeed be on PP2.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 12:50 p.m.
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    Quoting: Richard88
    Those numbers are off. Our top 5 PP guys this season (Mackinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Makar) all average over 3:30 - 4:07. Then there's a group of 4 players between 2:03 and 2:24, followed by 2 at 1:41 and 1:42. So even on PP2 he'd get about 2mins of TOI. And Danault would indeed be on PP2.


    Semantics over 15 extra seconds, pp2 doesn’t get meaningful time
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 12:51 p.m.
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    Quoting: SuckMyAvs
    On spending young assets, yeah I'm willing if the price is right. Graves is someone I'd be willing to lose, as he's a 3rd pairing guy once Byram gets a little time under his belt. I don't love losing him, but I would be okay with it to bring in more forward depth. Compher too, as I think he's a bit overpaid, and Kaut is fine, as we're probably looking at a fourth liner on a deep team. Trading any of them for a guy that helps now and for the next 6 years is okay with me, so long as Danault is reasonable with his contract demands.

    I'm also okay with a highly paid 3C, as I just don't view it like that. The team can afford two second line centers, and that's what Danault would be. Newhook can play wing with Kadri and move to the middle later in his career. That seems to be Colorado's MO anyway.

    Personally I think building two second lines is a great way to use cap space, especially when the team has an affordable but very talented back end. I love that one of those lines could be a great shutdown line as well. You don't go after a Domi to play 3C, but a Danault makes a lot of sense to me.

    All that said, I'm in favor of convincing Hall to sign for less than he's probably worth. All assets stay and you add the best player available. If that doesn't work out though, I think this would definitely be something I'm open to.


    I’m not opposed to moving Graves either, or Jost or Compher for that matter. What I’m opposed to is spending assets to strengthen a strength and not address the biggest need which is a 2nd line winger.
    I’m vehemently opposed to Newhook on the wing, when he struggled at the beginning of the year at BC it was him playing wing. I’m all for having 2 “second lines” that happen with Newhook being one of those centers and adding a winger. Danault isn’t what they need.
    Jul. 14, 2020 at 1:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xqb15
    I’m not opposed to moving Graves either, or Jost or Compher for that matter. What I’m opposed to is spending assets to strengthen a strength and not address the biggest need which is a 2nd line winger.
    I’m vehemently opposed to Newhook on the wing, when he struggled at the beginning of the year at BC it was him playing wing. I’m all for having 2 “second lines” that happen with Newhook being one of those centers and adding a winger. Danault isn’t what they need.


    I'm not sure he struggled because he was at wing so much as he was getting his feet wet in a much tougher league. I didn't watch as much college hockey this year as in the past, and the games against Denver were really early in the season, so I can't say for sure. But I certainly expected there to be a transition period and would expect the same in the NHL.

    If Newhook is really ready to take over at C very quickly though, then you think about letting Kadri go after his contract or even moving him beforehand. Danault is a couple years younger and may be a better fit longer term. The insurance he provides if Newhook can't transition quickly and seamlessly is pretty valuable in my eyes though.

    I'd also be fine with adding a LW for the second line. I just don't think it's the only option.
     
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