no, i am using his underlying stats, tied to the fact he is much faster, and younger than eller.

lol Rangers decline. But I think Rangers would take back cap (Jensen) if that's an issue. But it starts with the Caps 1st.

Unless Tampa wins this year or next, Johnson would give up his chance at ever winning a cup (unless Seattle goes full Vegas lol) and Oshies won his. Go be leaders in your home town. Grow the game!!!

correct me if im wrong but Ellers defensive numbers are better and his offensive numbers are equal

Haula has some of the best Shot and assist contributions per 60 in the NHL. Which is a big driving factor for offensive zone pressure. He was in the 89th and 94th percent tile.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR

Eller vs Haula seem pretty one sided and Eller vs Bozak was close but id still give the edge to Eller

He went to NYR cuz the Jets traded him...lol....All he wants is a big US city making 8M per year....NYR offered it to him...WSH is no different

Andersson has been a bust but at least i can admit it. I'll give ya Andersson plus a 2nd rounder for Carlson ??

jets look like the clear winners of this trade ATM....imo

Yeah LMK when Trouba is Carlson .lmfao Carlson was on a 90 point pace this year. his 8million is good cap... common sense is fleeting in this conversation.... ill admit Leason is a bust once hes been given more than 1 season to prove himself lol. he was drafted last year...

Not getting a top 40 pick for Ellers. Maybe a 2021 3rd but probably not even that

Carlson is still learning to play

I know John Carlson had career season (in points at least).

But still he shouldn't be even in TOP3 Norris votes according to me. Norris is for best DEFENSEMAN, so for one who can defense his net too.#NHL #Capitals pic.twitter.com/Uc9IquMPcC

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lol maybe a 3rd round pick for Eller? woof.

lmfao your intelligence is showing.... Carlson will win the Norris this year. his defense is average but his offensive upside is elite. Again you have failed to explain why Trouba is worth 8 million or why a team would give you anything of value for him? average year with the cap hit of an elite defenseman

Yeah maybe for some other team it would make sense but not in buff

It's a late 2nd. Players that late rarely turn into anything good and the pick doesn't have that much value

2nd round pick is the 2nd best pick a team could have? logically you'd have to assume a 2nd isn't mediocre ...it would actually be pretty good. considering a team , without trading, could only have 1 pick better than a 2nd? you could argue that players in the 1st round actually fail to reach potential way more frequently

Eller would be 2C in Buffalo.

"Much better" options need to want to go to Buffalo, which they seem to not want to do. Just ask Eichel. Currently, depending on Skinner's implosion, Eller would hold #4F rank in Buffalo, top 5 without argument.

as always good job and great incite.

I went with the rank the forwards this in this thread and it worked surprisingly well, so I just used it in another thread too. Maybe it will be my thing for the next week or so, or maybe I won't do it again.

However, it is more fun to blast a player than support a player.

im just surprised at how many people think Eller isn't good or how low people think his value is. Also I'm amazed that people don't realize that there are offensive dman ,stay at home dman, or guys that thrive at both. people take defense too literally.. I was an offensive dman so im always fascinated at the people who don't recognize there importance

I have no interest in looking to who it was, but someone did a trade with Pittsburgh using Dumoulin as a cap dump. Career high 5 goals in 80 games in 17/18, only 2 seasons with more than 1 goal over 7 season career. $4.1M cap hit. Obviously a cap bump, right? People. Are. Clueless.

You were an offensive Dman? I'm an offensive poster... does that count? I am fascinated with people that can't do it without vulgarity.

Eller would not rank over Skinner.

And they could trade for someone not named Eller if no one wants to sign here.

haha yeah. I am a recovering offensive poster. Im trying to avoid it but people on this site are morons... dumo is amazing I would take that cap dump. I would pay for that cap dump. I try to explain that defensemen can be offensive minded and that's okay and offensive players can be defensive minded but people like to go with whatever narrative best helps them win a pointless argument on a hypothetical based website ha

9 million for 23 points in 59 games..... wow I had no idea he had this bad of a year!!! woof! Eller 100% would be a top 5 player and 2c in buffalo and what player could you get of Ellers skill for a 2nd and 3rd?