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Weaponizing cap space 2

Created by: Campabee
Initial Creation Date: Jul 15, 2020
Published: Jul 15 at 12:46
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Domi, Max8$6,000,000
Mete, Victor4$2,000,000
Hudon, Charles1$850,000
Vejdemo, Lukas3$850,000
Evans, Jake3$1,000,000
Juulsen, Noah2$1,000,000
Virtanen, Jake3$2,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Hall, Taylor7$8,500,000
Trades
MTL
  1. Virtanen, Jake [RFA Rights]
  2. Sutter, Brandon
  3. Roussel, Antoine
  4. Demko, Thatcher
  5. 2022 3rd round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. 2020 7th round pick (CHI)
MTL
    VAN
    1. Alzner, Karl
    Additional Details:
    CBO or mutual termination
    MTL
    1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
    PHI
    1. 2020 2nd round pick (STL)
    2. 2020 3rd round pick (WSH)
    MTL
    1. Lundmark, Simon [Reserve List]
    2. 2020 1st round pick (WPG)
    WPG
    1. Petry, Jeff
    2. Mete, Victor
    Additional Details:
    Petry resigned for 3 years x 5 Mil
    MTL
    1. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
    BUF
    1. Domi, Max
    2. 2020 2nd round pick (MTL)
    Buyouts
    • Antoine Roussel: $1,233,333
    Buried
    • Brandon Sutter: $3,300,000 ($4,375,000)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2020
    MTL
    WPG
    BUF
    CHI
    MTL
    MTL
    ANA
    WPG
    MTL
    FLA
    MTL
    OTT
    2021
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    CHI
    MTL
    STL
    VGK
    MTL
    OTT
    PHI
    MTL
    2022
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    VAN
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    MTL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$78,027,975$0$3,157,500$3,472,025
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    Hall, Taylor
    $8,500,000
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Suzuki, Nick
    $863,333
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
    MTL
    Gallagher, Brendan
    $3,750,000
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Drouin, Jonathan
    $5,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 3
    MTL
    Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
    $925,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Tatar, Tomas
    $4,800,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Lehkonen, Artturi
    $2,400,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Danault, Phillip
    $3,083,333
    C
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Armia, Joel
    $2,600,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    MTL
    Byron, Paul
    $3,400,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    MTL
    Evans, Jake
    $1,000,000
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
    Virtanen, Jake
    $2,500,000
    RW
    RFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    PHI
    Gostisbehere, Shayne
    $4,500,000
    LD
    UFA - 3
    MTL
    Weber, Shea
    $7,857,143
    RD
    UFA - 6
    MTL
    Price, Carey
    $10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    MTL
    Chiarot, Ben
    $3,500,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Juulsen, Noah
    $1,000,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    VAN
    Demko, Thatcher
    $1,050,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    MTL
    Romanov, Alexander
    $894,167
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    MTL
    Fleury, Cale
    $771,666
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    MTL
    Kulak, Brett
    $1,850,000
    LD
    UFA - 2
    MTL
    Hudon, Charles
    $850,000
    LW, RW
    RFA
    MTL
    Weal, Jordan
    $1,400,000
    C, RW, LW
    UFA - 1

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    Jul 15 at 12:50
    #1
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    There is no CBO so it will have to be just a regular buyout for Alzner
    Jul 15 at 12:53
    #2
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    Droppin nukes out here.
    Jul 15 at 12:53
    #3
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    Quoting: dzmets
    There is no CBO so it will have to be just a regular buyout for Alzner


    There is still speculation that a CBO could happen in the fall that's why I added it.
    Jul 15 at 1:01
    #4
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    Quoting: Campabee
    There is still speculation that a CBO could happen in the fall that's why I added it.


    They already ratified the CBA
    Jul 15 at 1:01
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    Quoting: Campabee
    There is still speculation that a CBO could happen in the fall that's why I added it.


    I'm pretty sure they have comprehensively said there won't be CBO's. Gotta imagine that would have been a big concern with the new CBA, and I doubt it would have gotten through this quickly if that wasn't clarrified. All of the owners are firmly against it because it will cost them real world dollars at a time when revenues are low.
    Jul 15 at 1:05
    #6
    Lenny7
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    If there *were* a CBO (There's not going to be), why wouldn't someone like Vancouver just use it on Loui, which in turn would allow them to keep their depth through 2020-2021 (Which they need if they want to be competitive)?
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    Jul 15 at 1:09
    #7
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    That's a lot for van to give up for just cap relief considering Sutter only has 1 year left and Roussel isn't even that bad.
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    Jul 15 at 1:19
    #8
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    Quoting: sadcanucksfan
    That's a lot for van to give up for just cap relief considering Sutter only has 1 year left and Roussel isn't even that bad.


    This.

    If you want Demko and Virtanen, you're taking Loui
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    Jul 15 at 1:24
    #9
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    Quoting: Seider53
    I'm pretty sure they have comprehensively said there won't be CBO's. Gotta imagine that would have been a big concern with the new CBA, and I doubt it would have gotten through this quickly if that wasn't clarrified. All of the owners are firmly against it because it will cost them real world dollars at a time when revenues are low.


    Here is the last thing I heard on the subject it was dated June 30th.

    https://eyesonisles.com/2020/06/30/islanders-compliance-buyouts-option-doubt-2020-21/
    Jul 15 at 1:27
    #10
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Here is the last thing I heard on the subject it was dated June 30th.

    https://eyesonisles.com/2020/06/30/islanders-compliance-buyouts-option-doubt-2020-21/


    The CBA has been agreed to since then, without Compliance Buyouts.
    Jul 15 at 1:34
    #11
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    Quoting: dzmets
    There is no CBO so it will have to be just a regular buyout for Alzner


    I don't think a regular buyout of Alzner is a smart idea this year.
    They are better off buying him out next year and keeping him in the AHL this year.
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    Jul 15 at 1:34
    #12
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    Quoting: Seider53
    The CBA has been agreed to since then, without Compliance Buyouts.


    I am not sure whether or not the league needs a CBO to be included in the CBA that is why I added it. Either way it really doesn't matter as we still have the cap to bury him in the AHL
    Jul 15 at 1:40
    #13
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    Quoting: Campabee
    I am not sure whether or not the league needs a CBO to be included in the CBA that is why I added it. Either way it really doesn't matter as we still have the cap to bury him in the AHL


    Right, that would work this season. How would Habs fans look at the outlook from this in the 21/22 offseason? That's looking tight unless more people walk.
    The Domi trade definitely has got to be done first too, if you take on cap dumps no way Buffalo gives 8OA as they'll know you can't afford the contract. Theres some new and interesting ideas in there for sure.
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    Jul 15 at 1:41
    #14
    Boris Bagel
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    Habs paas on Gostisbehere
    Jul 15 at 2:06
    #15
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    Quoting: ItsBlowTime
    This.

    If you want Demko and Virtanen, you're taking Loui


    1. Your not in a position of strength to negotiate this type of deal. We are taking 7.375 Mil cap hit so you can resign some of your top end players and all we are asking is for a player that still has many question marks surrounding his NHL play and a back up goalie your not likely to be able to afford next season even with these moves.

    2. Unless your sending an unprotected 1st this year Eriksson isn't being traded anywhere and seeing as you don't have one this year looks like he is your problem
    Jul 15 at 2:17
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    Quoting: Seider53
    Right, that would work this season. How would Habs fans look at the outlook from this in the 21/22 offseason? That's looking tight unless more people walk.
    The Domi trade definitely has got to be done first too, if you take on cap dumps no way Buffalo gives 8OA as they'll know you can't afford the contract. Theres some new and interesting ideas in there for sure.


    Agreed the Domi trade definitely has to happen 1st and Next season Tatar and Weal likely walk and any combination of Chiarot, Armia, Lehkonen, Byron and Virtanen traded but also coming off the books would be 4.375 Mil from Sutter and the 3.472 Mil we already carry over would be more than enough to resign Gallagher at 6 Mil, Danault at 4.5 Mil (I wouldn't want to pay Danault much over 4.5 as he would be a 3rd or 4th line center even though he is probably worth more) and our RFA's to bridge deals.
    Jul 15 at 2:22
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    Quoting: Campabee
    1. Your not in a position of strength to negotiate this type of deal. We are taking 7.375 Mil cap hit so you can resign some of your top end players and all we are asking is for a player that still has many question marks surrounding his NHL play and a back up goalie your not likely to be able to afford next season even with these moves.

    2. Unless your sending an unprotected 1st this year Eriksson isn't being traded anywhere and seeing as you don't have one this year looks like he is your problem


    Never said they were in a position of strength, but a potential starting goaltender for the next 8-10 years, a23yo 20-goal power forward, and a 3rd rd pick is way too much. MTL takes on 7mil for a single season. Sutter will be off the books when Petey, Hughes, and Demko need to be resigned so I doubt he gets traded at all, and of all the bad contracts on the Canucks, Roussel is the most serviceable one.
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    Jul 15 at 2:27
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Agreed the Domi trade definitely has to happen 1st and Next season Tatar and Weal likely walk and any combination of Chiarot, Armia, Lehkonen, Byron and Virtanen traded but also coming off the books would be 4.375 Mil from Sutter and the 3.472 Mil we already carry over would be more than enough to resign Gallagher at 6 Mil, Danault at 4.5 Mil (I wouldn't want to pay Danault much over 4.5 as he would be a 3rd or 4th line center even though he is probably worth more) and our RFA's to bridge deals.


    what if you can't move Domi?

    If he can't get medically cleared...this isn't going away by next season.
    Who would trade for him and give anything up?
    Jul 15 at 2:27
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    Quoting: ItsBlowTime
    Never said they were in a position of strength, but a potential starting goaltender for the next 8-10 years, a23yo 20-goal power forward, and a 3rd rd pick is way too much. MTL takes on 7mil for a single season. Sutter will be off the books when Petey, Hughes, and Demko need to be resigned so I doubt he gets traded at all, and of all the bad contracts on the Canucks, Roussel is the most serviceable one.


    Fine make it Beagle instead of Roussel then! your still never going to get rid of Eriksson without including an unprotected 1st in 2020 and you don't have that so you will have to move others! Also if you want to keep Demko we can take Dipietro instead but I think you would rather keep the younger better goalie under team control for yourselves.
    Jul 15 at 2:35
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    Quoting: pharrow
    what if you can't move Domi?

    If he can't get medically cleared...this isn't going away by next season.
    Who would trade for him and give anything up?


    I doubt there would be any issue moving Domi even with his medical condition and the virus continuing into next season. Even if there were reservations the trade could include a condition of adding a future consideration if Domi cannot play next season as well
    Jul 15 at 2:38
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    Quoting: Campabee
    I doubt there would be any issue moving Domi even with his medical condition and the virus continuing into next season. Even if there were reservations the trade could include a condition of adding a future consideration if Domi cannot play next season as well


    I wouldn't say never. And if he can't play in the playoffs, that's gonna be a huge issue.
    Jul 15 at 2:41
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    Quoting: pharrow
    I wouldn't say never. And if he can't play in the playoffs, that's gonna be a huge issue.


    How so? Buffalo wouldn't be getting him until the off season anyway and even then next seasons playoffs are not likely to be affected by the virus even if the start of the season is.
    Jul 15 at 2:46
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    Quoting: Campabee
    How so? Buffalo wouldn't be getting him until the off season anyway and even then next seasons playoffs are not likely to be affected by the virus even if the start of the season is.


    I don't see this as going away, it's the new normal. And people aren't ready to accept that yet.
    So if he can't play in the playoffs, than he won't be playing next year considering it's not a long break between them
    Jul 15 at 2:48
    #24
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    Quoting: pharrow
    I don't see this as going away, it's the new normal. And people aren't ready to accept that yet.
    So if he can't play in the playoffs, than he won't be playing next year considering it's not a long break between them


    that is why the future consideration clause could be added
    Jul 15 at 3:47
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Fine make it Beagle instead of Roussel then! your still never going to get rid of Eriksson without including an unprotected 1st in 2020 and you don't have that so you will have to move others! Also if you want to keep Demko we can take Dipietro instead but I think you would rather keep the younger better goalie under team control for yourselves.


    Depending on where the 2020 1st rd pick ends up I could see the team moving it if it's late enough and the Canucks don't like a player in that area. In such a deep draft class that'd go a long way to covering Eriksson. I'd be happy to package the 2020 1st, DiPietro, and Eriksson for a pick in return
     
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