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Gourde

Created by: Sabres923
Initial Creation Date: Jul 16, 2020
Published: Jul 16, 2020 at 5:25
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Team Explanation
Teams usually figure out cap crunches, but maybe Tampa accepts this.
Gourde would waive because he’s playing 4th line minutes in Tampa who wouldn’t want to play with Eichel?
I’m just looking for draft picks and prospects for Ristolainen and Montour don’t freak out Devils and Flyers fans it could be applied to any team.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Cirelli, Anthony3$5,000,000
Olofsson, Victor4$4,700,000
Kahun, Dominik2$2,800,000
Reinhart, Sam6$6,900,000
Lazar, Curtis2$790,000
Mittelstadt, Casey2$890,000
Thompson, Tage2$876,000
Ullmark, Linus2$2,970,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
van Riemsdyk, Trevor1$2,500,000
Trades
BUF
  1. Cirelli, Anthony [RFA Rights]
  2. Gourde, Yanni
TBL
  1. 2020 1st round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (PHI)
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Eric Staal: $1,625,000 (50%)
  • Taylor Hall: $4,000,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
DAL
2021
BUF
BUF
PHI
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
PHI
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$84,004,332$1,487,500$4,337,500-$2,504,332
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
$4,700,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
$5,166,666
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 5
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Cirelli, Anthony
$5,000,000
C
RFA - 3
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
$6,900,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
BUF
Johansson, Marcus
$4,500,000
C, LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Cozens, Dylan
$894,167
C, LW
RFA - 3
BUF
Kahun, Dominik
$2,800,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
BUF
Ruotsalainen, Arttu
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
BUF
Lazar, Curtis
$790,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
BUF
Miller, Colin
$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 2
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
$2,970,000
G
UFA - 1
BUF
McCabe, Jake
$2,850,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
BUF
Hutton, Carter
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
BUF
Bryson, Jacob
$889,166
LD
RFA - 2
van Riemsdyk, Trevor
$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BUF
Thompson, Tage
$876,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
BUF
Borgen, William
$864,166
RD
RFA - 1

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Jul 16, 2020 at 5:26
#1
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Thats probably a very poor trade for Buffalo
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Jul 16, 2020 at 5:28
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Thats probably a very poor trade for Buffalo

Eh that center depth would be amazing if Cozens pans out. Gourde will produce with Eichel and Olofsson.
Jul 16, 2020 at 5:32
#3
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Quoting: Sabres923
Eh that center depth would be amazing if Cozens pans out. Gourde will produce with Eichel and Olofsson.


Gourde sucks. I don't want any of tampas bad contracts. Go and acquire our 3rd back, and give cirelli an offer sheet they cant match.
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Jul 16, 2020 at 5:32
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Quoting: Sabres923
Eh that center depth would be amazing if Cozens pans out. Gourde will produce with Eichel and Olofsson.


I just dont see how picking up a player like Lundell or Perfetti here isnt a better option.
Jul 16, 2020 at 5:38
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
I just dont see how picking up a player like Lundell or Perfetti here isnt a better option.


If Perfetti is there they should pick him (I doubt he will be there though).

Lundell doesn't have anywhere near the ceiling of Cirelli. His ceiling is probably what Cirelli put up last season.

Buffalo needs a 2C ASAP and where they are picking I don't see any centres that are sure to be ready in 1 or 2 seasons.

I think the Tampa trade is fair.

The other two trades aren't fair though. Way too many picks going Buffalo's way.

For Montour you get one 2nd round pick not 3 picks that have the value of a high 2nd round pick.

Same with Risto.
Jul 16, 2020 at 5:38
#6
Go Wings Go
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Yeah No, If Gourde is moved then Tampa gives Cirelli 3x5 a lot cheaper here in Florida then Buffalo.
Jul 16, 2020 at 5:43
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Ragsandbluesfan
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You can get risto and mittelstadt
Jul 16, 2020 at 5:44
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Ragsandbluesfan
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
If Perfetti is there they should pick him (I doubt he will be there though).

Lundell doesn't have anywhere near the ceiling of Cirelli. His ceiling is probably what Cirelli put up last season.

Buffalo needs a 2C ASAP and where they are picking I don't see any centres that are sure to be ready in 1 or 2 seasons.

I think the Tampa trade is fair.

The other two trades aren't fair though. Way too many picks going Buffalo's way.

For Montour you get one 2nd round pick not 3 picks that have the value of a high 2nd round pick.

Same with Risto.


Perfetti could very well still be there
Jul 16, 2020 at 5:44
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
If Perfetti is there they should pick him (I doubt he will be there though).

Lundell doesn't have anywhere near the ceiling of Cirelli. His ceiling is probably what Cirelli put up last season.

Buffalo needs a 2C ASAP and where they are picking I don't see any centres that are sure to be ready in 1 or 2 seasons.

I think the Tampa trade is fair.

The other two trades aren't fair though. Way too many picks going Buffalo's way.

For Montour you get one 2nd round pick not 3 picks that have the value of a high 2nd round pick.

Same with Risto.


Lundell definitely has a ceiling as high or higher than Cirelli. Think Couturier. He is also NHL ready now.

Tampa trade is fair but I think both teams would rather keep their pieces.
Jul 16, 2020 at 6:01
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Lundell definitely has a ceiling as high or higher than Cirelli. Think Couturier. He is also NHL ready now.

Tampa trade is fair but I think both teams would rather keep their pieces.


I think you're the only one that thinks Lundell's ceiling is that high. His comparable is more like Faksa.

Anyways the value for the Tampa trade is about right.

The other trades are asking for too much.
Jul 16, 2020 at 6:03
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
I think you're the only one that thinks Lundell's ceiling is that high. His comparable is more like Faksa.

Anyways the value for the Tampa trade is about right.

The other trades are asking for too much.


@SammyT_51 Where would you place Lundell's ceiling?
Jul 16, 2020 at 6:04
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
@SammyT_51 Where would you place Lundell's ceiling?


If you think top 20 C in the league... you're out of your mind.
Jul 16, 2020 at 6:20
#13
GM Hockeysaurus Rex
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
@SammyT_51 Where would you place Lundell's ceiling?


70+ point 1C, like Couturier.
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Jul 16, 2020 at 6:35
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Log off the internet
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Thats probably a very poor trade for Buffalo


WHAT
Jul 16, 2020 at 7:21
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Quoting: Hedman77
WHAT


I think its bad for both teams.
Jul 16, 2020 at 7:31
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MisstheWhalers
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
Gourde sucks. I don't want any of tampas bad contracts. Go and acquire our 3rd back, and give cirelli an offer sheet they cant match.


Cirelli has to sign the offersheet though...
Jul 16, 2020 at 8:29
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Quoting: SammyT_51
70+ point 1C, like Couturier.


Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Lundell definitely has a ceiling as high or higher than Cirelli. Think Couturier. He is also NHL ready now.

Tampa trade is fair but I think both teams would rather keep their pieces.


Hopefully it doesn't take him 7 years to get to that level like it did with Couturier
Jul 16, 2020 at 10:58
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Ferda
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I mean tampa moves gourde to sign cirelli . the grade might be fair value wise but I can't see tampa doing it
Jul 16, 2020 at 11:11
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Cirelli has to sign the offersheet though...


You trade for him, he has to sign your contact.

If he doesn't want to sign an offersheet to come here, why trade for him?
Jul 16, 2020 at 11:13
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MisstheWhalers
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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55
You trade for him, he has to sign your contact.

If he doesn't want to sign an offersheet to come here, why trade for him?


Well you're answering your own question.. Lol
Jul 16, 2020 at 11:43
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Well you're answering your own question.. Lol


No I'm pointing out, he would have to sign here if we trade for him or do an offersheet. My point is if he wouldn't sign an offersheet, dont trade for him, he doesn't want to be here.
Jul 17, 2020 at 12:37
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8oa for cirelli is one thing, but we cant afford to take gourde. Dahlin and jokiharju are due next offseason. Honestly i hate the montreal fans thinking 8oa for domi is in the ballpark, but if it came down to domi or lundell, i would think long and hard about domi. Hopefully its perfetti. Botterill was so bad when he was here, i just dont want the new gm bleeding away value in deals to try to fix it right now.
Jul 17, 2020 at 4:32
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I love Cirelli but I would accept that trade if I was BriseBois.

But I would prefer Cirelli to stay and move Sergachev if necessary tbh.
Jul 17, 2020 at 11:07
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Quoting: matulix
I love Cirelli but I would accept that trade if I was BriseBois.

But I would prefer Cirelli to stay and move Sergachev if necessary tbh.

Understandable, but they already have too many defenseman they desperately need to improve the forwards.
 
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