Don’t think Pietrangelo signs that cheap for that long. Also why have Joel Hofer as the backup? I’d trust Ville Husso more if I were you

Allen could be had for like a 4-5th round pick so why is Detroit taking on 5.75M cap dump?

Allen+Steen+What? You need to add a SIGNIFICANT asset to get Detroit to take on $10mil of your cap to facilitate this. Start with a first, then add on top of that. That cost goes for any team willing to take on bad cap.

Yeah Detroit passes. You cant expect us to eat all that cap for nothing

LOL.....you just got on here, you don’t know half of what cost is bud. I could show you Steen’s defensive stats it might not be worth 5.75M but he’s still positive value if you don’t want him then go take on other players. Allen has a 2.1 GAA and a .927 sv pct you do not get extra assets and the most you could get out of it is a 2nd for a 4th because Allen is worth something.

Allen isn't worth nothing, but his stats are very inflated by a lucky season and a good defensive team infront of him. He's a fairly average goalie, which is fine. Similarly, Steen is a reasonable player, nothing super special, though defensively solid. But the cap hit is damaging. If there was no flat cap to consider, you might have a more valid point.
This trade allows you to sign Pietrangelo though, and GM's are not duty bound to help you out for free. If the few GMs who can take on this caphit say no (and at this value, of course they will) you can't sign Pietrangelo. Marleau's 6mil cap hit required a 1st to trade last year, and last year the cap wasn't projected to be flat, or close to for at least 3 seasons. Taking on 10 million of cap starts at a 1st. You might get a 5th for Allen in a seperate deal, but Steen will at least cost a 1st to get rid of.

Sounds like StL should keep them both...

LOL Allen is really good in fact better than any goalie you have. Check the stats he had better stats than Binnington. That’s not luck. Go troll somewhere else.

MARLEAU was negative in every stat line BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA WHAT A TROLL.

I’m sorry you get upset about 1 f*ckin year. Lmao. Flat cap rate is irrelevant when he is a 1 year contract. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard. Most you will get is a 2nd because he is 1 still one of the most solid defensive players. He’s not a cap dump. He’s overpaid but he isn’t even borderline cap dump. It would be **** to pay a first round pick to get rid of him. He’s ONE YEAR. You can deal with ONE YEAR. Don’t even bring Marleau into this because that was a whole different deal, Marleau cost more was 3 years not 1 and he was bad in every single stat. This is why I’m never on Capfriendly anymore LOL. Most of your opinions are all based on the fact blues have to sign Pietrangelo, we don’t need to sign him, mind the fact you feel we are obligated to give you a first to get you out of your own crap hole you guys dig yourself into. If Yzerman is good at what he does he wouldn’t even go after a Steen cap relief he would go after players who need to be traded to keep the core together like idk Tampa. Work smarter not harder. You aren’t getting a first for Steen no one is, he isn’t a cap dump, this isn’t Backes, or Lucic, or Neal. Steen has something to bring to the table, and he was a big reason the Blues won a cup, he made some great defensive plays that turned into goals. You know what goals do? You know they help you win the game because the team with more goals wins the games you know?

Just stop. You’re very wrong about this.

The most important thing to remember: Everyone knows STL is in cap difficulty, ie no bargaining power, 2 noone will need/ benefit from adding Steen or Allen. Allen was a negative GSAA player two years in a row. Now that he is a backup he went positive. Not too many teams want a 4+ million dollar backup.

With that said, no matter how hard you sell it STL will have to give up something in order to move Allen and Steen to one team. As the other poster said that is 10 million. Maybe you could get a 4th out of Allen from one team. Maybe. You may be able to move Steen to another team for swapping a pick or giving up a soon to be roster player that you don’t have room for. Adding the values up it may be a 7th round pick. BUT taking on 10 million by one team brings the value way down and requires positive assets to go to the other team.

Marleau got a 1st rounder by himself and he wasn’t as bad as Steen and 3 million less in cap hit.

Go look up Marleau v Steen GAR and RAPM I will bet you Steen is better right now lmao. You just joined as well. You are what? A Detroit fan. You didn’t actually give GSAA stats because they are actually good. Say whatever you want this is why I left Capfriendly to begin with all the good ones who actually know what they are talking about are leaving and it’s for a very good reason.

Marleau cost a 1st for 1 reason:

He was a 35+ contract, meaning any buyout gives the team zero cap relief, thus a 1st.

Carolina paid a mid 1st for a 6.25 million cap hit this season.

A. Better right now not Marleau last season. And 6 million hit >>> a 10 million hit.

B. I love how you try to minimize posters by their joining date. I guess you Mr high and mighty didn’t know crap when you first joined. Oh you actually knew what you were talking about? Hello hypocrisy.

C. Im a Canes fan

D. You’re are welcome to leave because you obviously can’t see past your homerism.

2 key points I would like you to think on.
1: Marleau was 1 year left of a 3 year deal, so in terms of cap impact of the team Steen's contract has more impact on the cap
2: If you don't make a trade to get rid of cap, can you resign Pietrangelo?

That and Toronto was in cap hell and had zero negotiating power. They had to convince someone to take on Marleau. Just like St Louis will have to convince someone to take on 10 million.

The issue is that every team is not working towards the same objective. Steen might be an objectively fine player, but that is not why Detroit is making the deal. They are looking at cap hit and term. Their most valuable asset is their cap space and their ability to help teams in trouble get themselves out of it for a price. Steen's contract impedes STL's ability to resign Pietrangelo. An objectively better player. Yes, we understand fans value Steen's play, and rightly so, but any team acquiring Steen will not be doing it for that reason, they will be acquiring him for the picks/prospects attached, his play would only be an added bonus, little more, Im sorry.

Have you read the other posts here? You are the only person that thinks the Detroit trade is even

You think hes as good as those stats then your crazy. Didn't you just see carter hutton do the same thing like 2 years ago. Hes not bad but he isnt worth taking on steens contract.

Steen is 5 million not 10 million for one and 2 forget Allen in the deal. Just Steen wouldn’t even get a First.

My argument is not that it’s even. Because it’s not Allen fetches a second, and Steen brings in a second as the contract takes. This isn’t fair never said it was fair so stop putting words toward me.

Alexander Steen is scheduled to be paid 3.5M this year. The difference between Marleau is Marleau was through the entire contract Steen was front end paid. So it’s not worth it. You have no clue what you are talking about.

Again really solid defense goes a long way in the NHL especially when Forwards only play offense now, and his contract being paid this upcoming year is 3.5M. That’s not nearly what you ****es make it out to be.

Homerism has nothing to do with anything lol. 3.5M is being paid this upcoming year and you expect a first round pick for 1 year of 3.5M. Marleau was being paid 6 Million all 3 years PLUS a guaranteed Bonus for signing of what 2.5M or something. Yeah that’s worth a first Taking on 8.5M of Marleau who is worse is worth a first but giving out a first freely for a guy who only gets 3.5M this year.


Y’all wonder why I became inactive. Idiots swarmed CF and it became the newest version of facebook fan groups lol. People who know nothing.

A challenge in having polite discourse here is that we're getting a highly one sided deal, and then there's being no understanding given when the offer was 2 guys totalling $10 million who don't move the needle for the team theyre being traded to in exchange for a 7th, and no movement in terms of seeing that the value there could not be further off. You would get a polite discourse if you were willing to concede that your initial assessment was considerably off and instead discuss values and find middle ground.

The whole premise was on both going as proposed. Keep changing the argument to cover your hypocrisy.

My argument has been talking about Steen this entire time. With you and with everyone else. I have mentioned Allen once. Take Allen out of the deal first off because personally another team would get him for better.