Hell no to that Red Wings trade. We aren't going to be trading picks and taking a cap dump for a decent young goalie and a d-man that is pretty much useless to us.

NJ takes it and runs asking no question

Cap dump is an overused term in here for nearly everything. Why is Sutter a cap dump? Toss in Franzen if it’s salary out.

There is an obvious reason why 39pts on the season. Lack of NHLers who can help the kids vs dead weight from the Holland fiasco.

Lots hinges on Corey’s health being if he can go LTIR it will work.

Why isn't Schneider in goal for the 20-21season??? He doesn't retire until it's over. He was healthy all year. Just not very good.

He could play but injuries are catching up. Retire on LTIR is better than the minors if he can do it.

1st Sutter is 31, makes 4.38 million and had 17 points or roughly 0.3 points a game. Not sure what a cap dump to you is but, in my opinion he is a cap dump. Wings still have Nielsson, Abdelkader and too lesser extent Helm. Adding Sutter only makes the situation worse not better. By the way if Sutter is not a cap dump why are you trading him?

Stretcher is ok and Demko is a good to decent goalie but to take on cap which you need to clear it costs and asking for 2nd round pick for team that is rebuilding is a mistake.

I want to ask a question, if a team need cap to sign players and they need to trade a player who makes to much and is not producing for what he get paid what do you call that?

So the Wings get $4,375,000 in cap and a right defenseman which they don't need or want. Then they give up a 2nd and a 4th for Demko. That is absurd plus Frazen's contract expired at the end of Detroit's season. The CBA you should take a look it because you don't have a clue.

3.38m retaining 1m
Ab is not a C nor Helm really
Sutter is fine on the dot, D & PK
He would up his points on the Wings & about 15 goals
Trading him for cap space. Wings have the same issue

Stecher will bust his butt every shift
2nd is for Demko & fair value cheap even.
4th for both Sutter/Stecher

All players to help transition the kids & mentor.
Ab is a real problem i agree.
Frans was bad from day one.

3.375m learn to read.
Flip Stecher if you want Biega in the line up.
94th oa isn’t likely to amount to anything.
More darts some ppl luv but 3 nhlers is known.
I’m fine with the cba smart ass.

Lets see you post an ACGM or TM. Easy to be smug.

LTIR players have a lot more value than overpaid player since they don't count towards the cap (to an extent). Also, he's a cap dump because of the cap situation VAN is in. Look at all of the other VAN trades people are trying to dump off Eriksson, Baertschi, Sutter, Roussel and Beagle. Roussel and Beagle you might be able to actually get something for but not much at all.

Ok I know this was directed @aedoran, but let me show you a similar trade to yours but the other way around. I'm not saying I want this trade to happen, but this is just to show you. We give you Helm (who is 500k cheaper than Sutter and a somewhat similar player), and hirose and some useless LD that you don't need for a 2021 2nd and a 2020 3rd/4th. Would you take it?

Edit: and let's say you had the cap Red Wings have.

1st both of you ignore 1m retained on Sutter.
He is 500k cheaper

Next is both teams are in different boats being Canucks are overloaded on F’s. So bodies out not in or no deal is there.

Next is the picks are a mid 50’s in 2020 & early 90’s in 2021. Nothing spectacular.

So a groomed young goalie under control cheap on his own isn’t asking for much. Don’t have to wait 4-5yrs.

Drop the 4th & Stecher

I don't have the time I spend most of my time correcting people who obviously have no idea how the CBA works or players actual value is. Like this hot mess.

Demko overpaid?
Stecher overpaid?
Sutter at 3.375m 3C has no value?

What do ppl know of Baertschi?

Where do you imagine 4.375m? Obtuse moment

Is cba all you can repeat? What do you want to know?

For like the millionth time, the red wings aren't taking on your cap dumps for anything short of a premium asset

For the 1st time....

Premium cap dumps cost a premium asset.
Lucic Eriksson Ladd etc

Never said those two were overpaid

Exactly so why are you saying Eriksson would be useful to us in that other thread and has value and giving him to us for nothing. I know you didn't make the trade but you agreed with it.
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/342657?post_id=1565473

I don’t see USEFUL in there. Eriksson isn’t HELPFUL for many teams. I list Wings Sens & NJD as a fit given their rosters & rebuild situation.

I don’t see Eriksson moving. It’d take a big PO showing to get someone calling to kick tires.

Don't like getting words put in your mouth eh?

VAN decline. They don't need Subban.

I hearya but both trades in conjunction with each other is my way of going forward. If 1 fails then do neither.

Not easy trying to move salary let alone any deals in these times. It’ll be a very interesting offseason seeing how many teams face the challenges they have. It’s that or more likely a boring offseason.