First off, neither of the Hughes brothers (that are currently in the NHL) are getting traded.
As for the Subban & a 1st part, the price for Marleau’s $6.5 million was a first, so Subban’s $9 million total should cost at least that. And this draft is overhyped, just like every single draft before it happens. There are good players, but this is just an average draft like any other. The sky certainly is not the limit with 2 1st rounders. 2 1sts gets you Blake Coleman, not a franchise player in Quinn Hughes. For Subban you’re looking at a 3rd of Hughes’s production, with way more defensive mistakes. The only team where Subban could be an effective defenseman is where a team is so deep on D that they can shelter Subban to only PP time and offensive zone starts against the other team’s worst players.
And adding Boeser would make this deal even worse.
I think you’re vastly overvaluing the 1sts, and vastly undervaluing Quinn Hughes.
I think you're vastly undervaluing draft capital, PK Subban, the market in general, and VAN's need to sign other players.
First off, I guess you missed the part where I said NJ should retain salary. I'd say, to pull this off, they could even go upwards of 60% retention. Subban for 2 years at 4M or less is totally workable. What you just said about Subban putting up a 3rd of Hughes production is an opinion; the guy was a Norris finalist 2 seasons ago and his career numbers are really good, both analytically and traditionally.
He's also noticeably better throughout his career defensively than Hughes was in his first season. Look it up. Hughes is a much more offensively inclined D than Subban with about a 50/50 split for his career split between O and D zones, compared to Hughes 58/42. As you can see, Subban is much less reliant on starting in the O zone than Quinn is.
For you to sit here and say that he is that bad on D is silly. If he sucks this year so be it, but first year on NJ and they were a dumpster fire of a team. If you don't think he could quarterback the VAN PP you're kidding yourself.
So you're analysis of Subban is just wrong. He is not that bad whatsoever. He still plays over 22 minutes a night like he has his entire career and he still can put up numbers in the right situation. He is included in this trade because he is the best option on NJ to fill Hughes spot and VAN is still a win now team.
Next, for you to say this draft is overhyped beforehand like they all are is just wrong. Some classes are noticeably weaker, and some are stronger. I remember, in 2012, that it was said to be a fairly weak year. Looking back that was a true assessment. I don't know enough about this one to say that it is legitimately good or bad, but I've heard more than once that this was supposed to be an especially deep class.
But whatever, it's still 2 1st round picks. They don't have to use them, and other teams would love to get them.
So with the retention of Subban by NJ, VAN also gets more cap space with this trade. That would be another plus of doing it, because they have a bunch of players they need to resign, both this offseason and over the next couple.
They get draft capital, cap room, and TWO players who can help the team in this trade. Subban would slot in for most, if not all, of Hughes minutes right away. Surrounded by supreme offensive talent, he would probably have a resurgent year.
Ty Smith, who you completely ignored, was a former 1st round pick who could potentially slot into a top 4 role in the next 2-3 years. He is by no means a throw in as he has legitimate promise.
I am certainly not overrating the 1sts, I am simply treating them as the league treats them: as highly valuable pieces to building a team. What if NJ took one of the later ones away, and included theirs instead, slated at #7? Would that make a difference? It should; I chose not to include that one because of how much they were already giving up for Hughes. I look at it like this.
Ty Smith, PK Subban at 45-80% retention and 2 1sts for Hughes. That seems fair to me honestly.
And that has nothing to do with me undervaluing Quinn.
That's a legitimate package for anybody in the league. When was the last time you saw 2 1st round picks traded for anybody, now that I think of it?
Subban isn't a throw in. He had a bad year on a bad team. It happens.
Eriksson is a throw in because to make this deal NJ has to take him off their hands.
So you couple that package with the cap freedom of no more Eriksson and it's a fair deal.
But of course I get why VAN wouldn't do it, because they love Quinn and he's young af.
That's why this is a fake trade on a website.